Talk:Names of the Indian Rebellion of 1857

Intent of this page
I created a stub for this page in response to heated discussions at Talk:Indian Rebellion of 1857. In particular, I found arguments of User:Utcursch regarding parallels of the term to Great Patriotic War (term) to be persuasive. That I left the page as a single line stub should not in any way indicate that I do not regard the term as significant - only that I am probably not the best person to flesh it out. I note that within a few hours it has already been well-enhanced with citations to reliable sources, as I had expected. Proponents of its use at Indian Rebellion of 1857 have clearly demonstrated that it is notable. However, contributions from User:Fowler&fowler and others demonstrate that modern scholarship regards the term as historically inaccurate and largely a creation of Indian popularism. While I don't expect everyone to be happy with this page, I believe it would easily withstand a challenge at WP:AFD and therefore it belongs at WP. Ronnotel (talk) 13:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This page should redirect to Indian Rebellion of 1857, as that is what it means and not to an academic discussion on nomencalture, which is what the ~ term page is. Doing so accordingly Yogesh Khandke (talk) 20:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

India's First War of Independence
The heading "First War of Indian Independence" seems a little confusing since the term "Indian" has wider usage beyond India (say as in American Indians or Inca Indians, etc). So a more appropriate title might be "India's First War of Independence". Thanks. Desione (talk) 21:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no objections to this, anyone else? Ronnotel (talk) 21:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a note, I've added back the word 'term' to the article's title. Without that qualifier, this page could be considered for deletion as per WP:CFORK. Without 'term', this page could be considered as an alternate page for Indian Rebellion of 1857 rather than just highlighting the use of the term as intended. Ronnotel (talk) 14:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

First War ?
So when the "indians" kicked out various Mongols, Turks, Uzbeks, Iranians and Ghaznavids (not to mention the sri lankans), weren't all of those the first wars of Indian independence ?Eregli bob (talk) 14:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and the Greek/Macedonians also.Eregli bob (talk) 14:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Two points:
 * Wikipedia, as a tertiary source, accepts conventional terminology unquestioningly. So the on-wikipedia argument is: we talk about the 1857 rebellion, as the First war of independence, because reliable sources discuss that as an alternate name, and don't use it for any other war. And that's all there is to it.
 * But, if I was to speculate: the British rule (or strictly speaking East India Company rule, since we are talking about the pre-1857 period) was the first instance in Indian history that a foreign power effectively reigned over a substantial part of the sub-continent for a sustained period. This is in contrast to invaders like the Greeks, Gazni, Mongols etc who essentially just raided some regions without any successful plans to establish a dominion, and foreign entities that came and settled in India (and thus came to be regarded as "Indians"; such as the Mughals) rather than controlling it from abroad.
 * If you have any more questions on this topic, the Humanities Reference Desk may be a good place to ask. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 21:22, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Pakistan
This passage has had a citation tag two years:
 * The term "War of Independence" is also used in schoolbooks for students in Pakistan. It is also mentioned in competitive examinations for various Government jobs.

I't very unclear what is even meant by this sentence and the link goes to an ad for a book on social studies, not to an actual passage of text. Nor is it clear why the events of 1857-8 should be "mentioned in competitive examinations for various Government jobs". Paul B (talk) 10:05, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

June 2012
With this edit on 9 June 2012‎, I removed so some of the more blatant POV terms such as "The Indian fight for freedom against British Tyranny " and less obvious ones such as rebellion and rebels (with insurgency and insurgents). But I also made some other changes -- mainly to the lead and additional section headers which make the diff look much larger than it really is. -- PBS (talk) 15:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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