Talk:Nancy Spungen

Bipolar
I cannot disagree more with your "diagnosis". It doesn't seem to be neither schizophrenia nor bipolarity disorder in any way you can consider it. According to ICD-10, she was antisocial, also called sociopath. Take a look at the main syntoms,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder It is characterized by at least 3 of the following:
 * Callous unconcern for the feelings of others.
 * Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations.
 * Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them.
 * Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
 * Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
 * Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.39.227.179 (talk) 10:37, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the following. Someone with untreated bipolar disorder could still be marginally functional, which sounds like her. Untreated schizophrenia, not so much. Anyway, it would be best if we could find a source?24.131.12.228 19:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I suspect she might have been bipolar, not schizophrenic. More to come.

She was a schizophrenic. Her own mother confirmed this, because Nancy was diagnosed with childhood schizophrenia by a psychiatrist at 11. 119.12.134.128 (talk) 11:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Revisions
The original comments that started this chain have been completely removed. The opening comment at present is very fine, but whoever wrote it, erased something infinitely real, have a look at: "Revision as of 18:58, 28 November 2003"

Can someone change this: "...In January 1972, she ran away from Devereux Manor and attempted suicide by slitting her wrists with scissors. A friend, Phillipe, intervened in the attempt as Spungen had contacted her via telephone to say goodbye." The last sentence should be removed or changed: Philippe didn't know Nancy until 1975 in New York, Philippe is a man, a friend found Nancy in her room, Nancy didn't call anyone to say goodbye.

Under "Relationship with Sid Vicious", it is stated that Nancy moved to London in 1977 and had a "tumultuous 23-month relationship" with Sid Vicious. If she met Sid in 1977 and died in October of 1978, how could their relationship have lasted 23 months? Cowpiesurprise (talk) 00:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

That was probably an error, hence that I corrected it to 19 months.61.69.217.3 (talk) 08:04, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Literary work about Nancy Spungen
I have added a phrase indicating that the title of the book was taken from a poem written by Vicious after he murdered Spungen, as stated on WP Sid Vicious article. I found this little factlet to be very surprising, and odd enough, in its own way, to be worth including in the article. Hi There 23:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Modified second section
I removed "early" from the section previously titled "Adolescence and early death", both because it's vaguely non-NPOV (not that I disagree that her death was early, but that's still subjective) but, more importantly, it could be accidently misread as somehow paralleling the title "early life" in a morbid sense of humor. Besides, it's not realy necessary to establish the distinction, because she (obviously) had only one death. If you'd like to reinsert it, please explain why here. $$\sim$$ Lenoxus " * " 17:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

2 Knives on the Crime scene?
I just saw two dif documentaries on both subjects. One had authentic footage. The other had photos. There were two knives on the crime scene. None could be checked for finger prints. Finger prints on the wall were but a few by sid vicious, next to the bathroom. It looks like he said he wasn't going to do it. What happened was that they had their money stolen earlier or they just gave it away or something. They were broke. They needed a fix. Sid was passed out on doitel or something, and nancy sat on the bed she stabbed her self, tried to hold the blood in with sheets, then she struggled for 3 hrs to the bathroom to finally die. It looks like she killed herself because the blood sheets are in blotches which means they were holding in blood. No indications of a violent struggle. Sids fingerprints are less than 5 on the wall of the hotel. Hope this helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.25.193 (talk) 20:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

-yep nancy held the knife with bedsheets so﻿ no fingerprints appeared. After reading the police report myself, it looks like he decked her and she fell on the knife. She prob wanted drugs or was trying to get a fix. He then tried to help her out with bedsheets and stuff. It looks like they argued about getting the bed. He had to sleep on the couch, and thats why he made the lie of 'peeing himself' up because that's what nancy told the media first time they slept together...he also made eroneous remarks like im a dog which means he's adding to the lie. He didn't kill her though because teunal is a sedative and they both got tired, except she fell asleep on the knife so to speak after the argument around 300am to 600am and he woke up at 10am. However, i do think this is a conspiracy, because both documentaries have photos and footage at the crime scene where nancy's black and white sweater is in two dif places, one crime photo has it nicely placed in the suitcase whilst the other one has it scattered on the floor indicating a struggle. 2 knives are present as well, one is placed nicely on the suitcase where the first image of the sweater is whilst the other is placed near the body and fingerprints from both knives are unavailable somehow? Mere jinn or demonic activity perhaps or a foreign intervener such as the government? If there was a 3rd party involved, they would have had to had moved the sweater during the day into the luggage, and also between 4am-5am awoken nancy from a stupper to get more money. Then killed her. It looks like the palm print on the edge of the bed was her holding her gut. If nancy were holding a knife like sid says she was, the burglar was threatened and killed her with his knife then placed it on the luggage compartment with the sweater. However, i think it was sid who was tending to the wounds with bedsheets around 10am where the person was still alive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.25.193 (talk) 20:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

My personal take was someone stole the money and he got mad and killed her. It looks like he did it with a jager knife and she defended herself with her ramone knife. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.25.193 (talk) 22:12, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Gobbldegook
'Four months after Nancy's death, incarceration at Riker's Island before bail and drug rehabilitation, he overdosed...'A word missing somewhere, I think 81.157.69.65 (talk) 18:17, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Querying new lede
Can't see how new lede by Pinkadelica improves on my earlier one, except I agree the word 'legendary' could be seen as POV.

He has failed to include the key fact that Sid was assumed to be her killer. And why has he deleted the mention of the acclaimed feature-film 'Sid and Nancy'? 109.157.18.114 (talk) 17:59, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * First, "he" is a she - I am a woman. Second, you may not have seen how my rewrite wasn't an improvement but I beg to differ. First, Spungen wasn't "officially declared schizophrenic" - she was diagnosed as such. A declaration would mean she was legally deemed schizophrenic which isn't true. If memory serves, her parents didn't even know about it until she died. It also doesn't say when she was diagnosed which leaves the whole sentence fairly ambiguous. Second, the phrase "Expelled from university" isn't how Americans refer to an institute of higher education. If I wrote about a British person being "expelled from college" in an article, people would be rightly irritated because that's an Americanism. Third, "punk rock" is not a proper noun - it shouldn't be capitalized unless it comes at the beginning of a sentence. Fourth, the whole lead seems to slant towards Vicious being innocent or at least cast doubt on him being her killer. I don't care if he is or isn't but since he was officially charged and the case was closed after he died, we should present other theories as that - theories that are attributed to someone beside the actual writer of this particular article. And since I foolishly omitted the fact that Vicious was charged as her killer, I added it back.  Pinkadelica ♣  01:17, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Sid Vicious deathplace
You say 'Four months after Nancy's death, incarcerated at Riker's Island before bail and drug rehabilitation, he overdosed on heroin, and died before the trial could take place.' This suggests he died in jail.

Sid's own wiki-page says 'On the evening of 2 February 1979, a small gathering to celebrate Vicious having made bail was held at the 63 Bank Street, New York apartment of his new girlfriend, Michele Robinson...' and goes on to relate Sid's death in the flat that night. 86.148.132.69 (talk) 14:22, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Dates
As I recall, The Heartbreakers came over for the ill-fated Anarchy tour in December 1976 and ended up staying (probably due to lack of funds - till they were eventually deported). Nancy came over in early 1977, with Sid joining the Pistols around the same time (February 1977) and them getting together the following month: his attraction was as a Sex Pistols, not some guy who hung out with them. March 1977 - October 1978 is far closer to nineteen months than it is twenty-three with regard to the length of Sid & Nancy's relationship. PS - Maybe I don't look hard enough, but this article displays the best photo of Nancy I've seen. Kmitch87 (talk) 00:28, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Unsolved?
Is the case really unsolved? The NYPD did close the case after Sid Vicious died. PatGallacher (talk) 21:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see where the article is saying the case is unsolved. Rather it states the case was closed after Vicious died. ♟♙ (talk) 18:01, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Opening sentence
The opening sentence: "Nancy Laura Spungen (/ˈspʌŋɡən/;[1] February 27, 1958 – October 12, 1978) was the American girlfriend of English musician Sid Vicious and a figure of the 1970s punk rock scene."

I feel like she was more than just Sid Vicious' girlfriend, and it does a disservice to immediately reduce her in this way. Maybe "a prominent figure of the 1970s punk rock scene and American girlfriend of English musician Sid Vicious"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leo1929 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 2 January 2022 (UTC)