Talk:National Center for Atmospheric Research

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Did anyone notice that the contents of this page is copy pasted from the ncar website? 

Should we do something about that?


 * yep. —Fleminra 02:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * That was me (but a long time ago...). Is there any defense of work-of-US-govt? It works for images, why not text? William M. Connolley 09:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, despite its name NCAR is not part of the government. (I made that assumption too once.) Simesa 07:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Revisions coming from NCAR's Communications Office
Dear contributors,

Thanks so much for your combined efforts to build and maintain this page about NCAR. The NCAR & UCAR Communications office staff have been working on a refresh, and will be uploading new content soon. If you have any questions or concerns about the changes, please get in touch. All feedback appreciated!

AtmosNews (talk) 23:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

In Architecture section, two dead citations moved
…here, for replacement. Both are press releases and so are unacceptable sources (see WP:VERIFIABLE), both are unacceptable as naked URLs, and both are, in any case, dead links. A tag saying was affixed to call attention to need for real citations there.

Critically, the same basic problems were noted for the whole article—essentially no real citations. Pinging the original editors and NCAR to attend to it. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 07:38, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


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Article's sourcing, citations non-encyclopedic
…and need to become encyclopedic per WP:Verifiable (or risk article deletion).

Note, I am a fan of NCAR, recently bringing online an article on Paul Julian linking there, and have been making generic improvements to the NCAR article. However, I can do no more than I have done—my expertise is elsewhere—and there are those with the responsibility for maintaining quality at WP, involved in efforts underway that could result in article deletion.

This is esp. true, since the article has no independent, valid citations (no news or other outside reports, all press releases and self-published web material from the NCAR site itself). (!) Has any NCAR discovery, event, collaboration, announcement, etc. ever been written up by Science, Nature, Sci Amer, Science News, etc.? by the NYT? by a decent statewide newspaper there? By any magazines, in print or online? These are the needed sources. Press releases are unacceptable, as being self-published and self-promotional. Someone else must write the story. You can assist them with material to interpret, but the material written must be independent of those with direct connections to the organization.

Hence, much of the current article, while perhaps reasonably accurate--is it still?--is nevertheless simply unacceptable in sourcing, and in format as well.

Finally, note, your office itself should not be doing this writing and contributing; rather, your staff scientists should be encouraging independent parties (outside scientists, students at collaborating universities, etc.) to edit the article. Your professional office has clear, inherent WP:COI and WP:POV issues, and these, if they surface, could fast track the content for deletion. You can add news reports to the "Further reading"—your suggesting sources is fine. Your office simply cannot "sell" NCAR through Wikipedia. Please, click on these links, and come to understand what is expected.

Note, look to your last printed/file version, and the version that appears today--seeing the restructuring, the addition of the Julian-Madden Oscillation links… this is how it supposed to work. Put out a call to collaborators, for individuals with wikipedia experience. Get the assistance you need, there and then here! It would be a loss if you came online one day, to find the article take down for its ignoring WP encyclopedic content policies.

Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 07:47, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added a few independent links. prokaryotes (talk) 12:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: Article's sourcing, citations non-encyclopedic
Thank you for this review and suggestions for how best to respond. We will put out the call for independent editors, keeping in mind that finding volunteers to take time away from professional or student responsibilities in the field of science will take some time itself. We appreciate Wikipedia's review process and its contributions to the quality of the encyclopedia. AtmosNews (talk) 16:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, it would be beneficial for NCAR and Wikipedia if you would release your logo or a special version under a creative commons license. You could upload such a version from a verified account or state it on a webpage for reference. If you want you can contact me on my talk page if you have specific questions, Kind Regards. prokaryotes (talk) 16:45, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

→→Hello, Prokaryotes. We cannot provide a standard Wikimedia Commons CC license because no one may modify our logos without our permission (as a side note, since we do not grant commercial use without agreement to our terms of use, we also do not provide other images to Wikimedia Commons). The Stanford University logo used, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_University#mediaviewer/File:Stanford_University_seal_2003.svg appears to come from a database other than Wikimedia Commons. If true, can you advise on how this was done? Regards AtmosNews (talk) 18:10, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The Stanford logo is used primarily on the related page under fair use guidelines. The related page with the infos is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NFC Thus, you could upload it under fair use (limited usage for specific article/articles). The NCAR wiki states "proposed uses should be cleared with UCAR Communications" https://wiki.ucar.edu/display/wag/Logos+for+Web+and+Print If this is done, you could use the upload form here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard&?withJS=MediaWiki:FileUploadWizard.js and pick option "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." prokaryotes (talk) 18:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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