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IP user questions[edit]

Why is there absolutely no mention of when camps were discovered? This is important in understanding that it was not cruelty but simple ignorance, from other nations and from many German citizens, that allowed this horror to continue for so long. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.73.175.85 (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

have been seeking this answer as well. 1 - when did the allies suspect existence of such camps and 2 - when did they know, with proof. 70.31.166.89 (talk) 22:27, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There wasn't "simple ignorance" but World War 2 made it more complicated. 10 November 1938 was Kristallnacht during which hundreds of Jews were murdered throughout Germany and 30,000 Jewish men were sent to concentration camps. Also, Nazi Germany notified neutral nations during WW2 to re-patriate their Jewish citizens who were in Germany, e.g. Turkey. (See Baer, Marc D. (2020). Sultanic Saviors and Tolerant Turks: Writing Ottoman Jewish History, Denying the Armenian Genocide. Indiana University Press. ISBN 978-0-253-04542-3, pp. 202.) Turkey didn't do so, apparently. I don't know when that was. I don't know when German citizens (who were not in the SS) knew about the extermination camps, or if that question is answerable.--FeralOink (talk) 11:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Despite my cranky tone, IP user the second, you make a good point in wondering about when the Allies knew. I read a scholarly journal article about Jewish life (such as it was) for the first two years in post-World War 2 Germany under Allied occupation; it mentioned when the U.S. government became aware, I recall. I'll try to find the citation and if possible, include it in the Wikipedia article here.--FeralOink (talk) 11:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KZ were never secret. As stated in this article, they were advertised in Nazi propaganda from 1933 onwards. Of course the Allies were aware of them throughout. (Mass extermination in the death camps was another story, but that is not the subject of this article). (t · c) buidhe 14:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concentration Camps history[edit]

The article above seems to infer that the Nazi camps were the first but that is actually incorrect. British concentration camps and their remains can be found in parts of South Africa and date back to the Anglo-Boer war. Sadly the camps had three times as many children than there were adults. Most died from the poor conditions in the camps due to sanitation and hygiene. Evidence found there date back to the 1890's. 97.107.51.176 (talk) 20:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. The very first sentence of the lead links an article about internment/concentration camps, which has this in its lead:

The term concentration camp originates from the Spanish–Cuban Ten Years' War when Spanish forces detained Cuban civilians in camps in order to more easily combat guerrilla forces. Over the following decades the British during the Second Boer War and the Americans during the Philippine–American War also used concentration camps.

The title also makes it clear that this article is specifically about Nazi concentration camps, not concentration camps in general, and not Extermination camps. (Hohum @) 22:23, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hohum , yes, you are correct about the lead of the article as quoted, but what is the source? I am bringing this up because Wikipedia has articles for extermination camps, internment camps, and this article, "Nazi concentration camps". "Concentration camps" is mentioned in the lead of this article, with a wikilink, and it redirects to internment camps. There is an entire article about Nazi camps; nevertheless, it becomes confusing, as many Nazi concentration camps were in fact extermination camps. Also, the lead of the extermination camps article begins as follows:

Nazi Germany used six extermination camps, also called death camps, or killing centers, in Central Europe during World War II to systematically murder over 2.7 million people mostly Jews in the Holocaust. The victims of death camps were primarily murdered by gassing...

That contradicts what you said (and what this article states) that this article is NOT about extermination camps, no?
The extermination camps article has this in the lead,

Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as "concentration camps".

That does not contradict what you said, i.e. that Nazi concentration camps are not concentration camps in general. I am not BOLD enough to attempt to sort this out on my own, as I know that altering these article leads (i.e., Nazi concentration camps, internment camps, and extermination camps) will be contentious. Any suggestions?--FeralOink (talk) 10:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Humanities 2 1400-present[edit]

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