Talk:Neal Brennan/Archive 1

Neal Brennan's age
I took the liberty of removing this line "He also has known many comedians such as Sarah Silverman, Dave Chappelle and Jeff Ross since his early to mid teens." as all three performers listed are much younger than Neal Brennan making it highly unlikely for him to know them when he was a teen. When Neal Brennan was 20, Dave Chappelle was only 7, Sarah Silverman 10, and Jeffrey Ross 14 or 15, according to their wiki pages. He may have known the three of them when they were in their teens. 23:29, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Someone might want to check out that birth year. That really doesn't sound right. Madameovary (talk) 01:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I've changed his date of birth to c. 1974. See my comments in the next section for details. -- Marchije•speak/peek 01:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Overhaul and expansion
I've expanded this article a fair bit. A couple points of note:


 * 1) The infobox originally listed Brennan's place of birth as being Brooklyn, New York, but that entry was unreferenced and I could not find any mention of this from a reliable source, nor in did I hear Brennan mention this in the podcasts that I have referenced. I have therefore removed this from the article as per WP:BLP.
 * 2) I also couldn't find a definitive reference for his date of birth. Prior to my edits it was simply listed in the article as 1973 with no reference. In the persondata it was listed as 1970 and the article was in the category "1970 births". The best I could find were the following references which are conflicting:
 * 3) This article from The New York Times published in August of 2009 stated that Brennan was 35 years old, so assuming he had already celebrated his birthday that year that would indeed make his year of birth 1974, but if he was turning 36 that year that would make his year of birth 1973.
 * 4) This story from CBS News where they state that Brennan and Chappelle "met at a comedy club in Greenwich Village when they were both 17" and according to Chappelle's article he was born in 1973.
 * 5) This article from SanDiego.com says: Brennan first performed stand up in 1992 when he was 18, so if he had not yet celebrated his birthday he would have been born in 1973, but if he had already celebrated his birthday his year of birth would be 1974.
 * 6) In this interview for the site CareerCookbook.com Brennan stated "My first professional writing job was for the Jenny McCarthy dating show, Singled Out. I was twenty." Singled Out ran from 1995 onward so that would make his year of birth either 1974 or 1975. Perhaps he was mistaken about his age, or maybe the show started production in 1994, in which case that could make his year of birth as early as 1973 if he had not yet had his birthday when he started writing for the show.
 * 7) In this interview on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast which aired on April 12, 2012 (event occurs at 51:28) he stated that he was 37 years old, so if he had not yet celebrated his birthday that would make his birth year 1975 and if he had already celebrated his birthday that would make his birth year 1974.
 * 8) In this interview for Chicago Now Brennan said "I wrote for the show All That on Nickelodeon... I was 20, 21 in a writer's' room." The tv show All That ran from 1994, so assuming he wrote for the show in their very first season that would make his year of birth somewhere around 1973/74. IMdB shows he was only a credited writer on episodes of All That in 96 or 97, but this doesn't mean he wasn't also a staff writer for the show in earlier years...
 * ...Soooooooo given his year of birth is unclear, but does seem to lie somewhere between 1973 and 1975 I have changed his year of birth to "c. 1974" and used the first 3 articles as references. For the infobox I used the birth based on age as of date template and used the New York Times article as the reference. I also removed 1970 from the persondata and removed the article from the "1970 births" category.

Cheers! -- Marchije•speak/peek 01:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Success of Half Baked
This article deems Half Baked to be a 'box-office failure', yet the page for Half Baked itself states that it was a box office success. Whats the deal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.241.198.28 (talk) 01:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you tell where the numbers are coming from in both articles? In this one its not clear which of the three sources that are used is supplying the numbers. None of them are really known for compiling box office receipts. Jay Dubya (talk) 22:42, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Why does Neil Brennan redirect here?
Neil Brennan is an Australian composer, noted for several computer oder video game soundtracks. If his accomplishments don't merit an article of its own, so be it, but this redirect causes confusion. There are Wikipedia pages linking to Neil Brennan. --217.226.86.110 (talk) 08:53, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Separate "Relationship with Dave Chapelle" Section
A good chunk of the article is devoted to Brennan's relationship with Chapelle, their fallout, and how that relationship impacted his career choices. It has so much weight it borders on a NPOV issue given their past conflict. I propose consolidating most of this stuff into a section and excising the rest of it. Just as one example, this graph bends over backwords to get a DC-related quote in there, to the point it barely makes sense:


 * Brennan continued to perform some stand up while working on Chappelle's Show, but he stopped after the end of the show:[5][18][40] "I didn't want to get up on stage and have people yell, 'Where's Dave?' once I got on stage."[40] He returned to performing stand up in 2007 and has expressed enjoying stand up more than writing for television and working in movies.[5][8][40] Brennan continues to perform stand up regularly in the LA area as well as nationally.

Thoughts/concerns? Whats consensus on this? Jay Dubya (talk) 22:47, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree with you - way too many quotes and detail about their falling out are here, including repetitive comments, referring to multiple interviews and statements about the same thing. It's all over now, so I think the treatment should be shortened and many quotes removed. This treatment (as it is) is trivializing. If it were so important, perhaps there should be some mention in the Lead, but in crisp summary form, not more complaining quotes.Parkwells (talk) 21:18, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Here are a few paragraphs of complaints and repetitive quotes about the falling out. Let's figure out how to summarize it for an article current in 2015. It does not need all this detail.Parkwells (talk) 21:37, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

As it formerly appeared: :In an interview on The Oprah Winfrey Show on February 3, 2006, Chappelle said that Brennan made no attempt to contact him after he left the show: "How many times do you think he's called his sick buddy since he went to Africa?" Brennan said in a 2011 interview for ChicagoNow that he was hurt that Chappelle didn't warn him prior to leaving the show for Africa and that "he owes me a phone call, if anything." Brennan also said he was dismayed not to have been warned of Chappelle's interview with Oprah, nor was he contacted by her show's producers for his side of the story. Brennan said in the ChicagoNow interview, as well as during his appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast on June 14, 2011, that he felt Comedy Central played a role in pitting Chappelle and him against each other.

In an interview in the July 2006 issue of Maxim magazine, when asked if he would ever work with Chappelle again, Brennan said there was "no chance." In 2009 he repeated this sentiment in an interview with the New York Times, saying, "The relationship is charred. I don't think Dave ever wants to be in showbiz again, and I wouldn't want to work with him." In a 2012 interview with the Vancouver Sun Brennan said working on the show was stressful: "I don't miss [Chappelle's Show], I'm glad I was decent at it, but I always feel [a sketch comedy show] takes years off your life."

Brennan said in 2011 during the Joe Rogan interview that he and Chappelle were "still friendly...and hang out when he is in LA." On February 1, 2012 Chappelle and Brennan both performed comedy sets at Yoshi's Jazz Club in Oakland, California. Brennan has suggested that Chappelle might appear on his podcast, The Champs, saying: "I'm sure Dave will do it at some point". "

So, briefly, the summary should make clear that they had a falling out because of Chappelle's leaving without notice, both complained about each other in public, and five years later they performed at the same venue, and apparently have discussed Chappelle appearing on The Champs.Parkwells (talk) 21:37, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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