Talk:Necklet

Necklet
"Necklet" is a word used to describe a badge hung from a ribbon worn around the neck. See Legion of Honour (s. Insignia: "Commander - wears the badge on a necklet;"). I think it may be a word not usual in US-English usage. Greentubing 22:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Also see New Zealand Order of Merit, s. insignia. It probably is a word specific to British English usage, if it is unfamiliar to US English. I've pulled up the Oxford English Dictionary:


 * Necklet n. 1. a. A usually small or close-fitting necklace, neckband, or other ornamental item worn round the neck.
 * 1641 H. OXINDEN Let. 22 Dec. in Oxindon Lett. (1607-42) (1933) 265 If hereafter you light upon a good penyworth in a necklet of about 10l price let mee know of it; the like of a ring. 1847 Times 31 May 12/4 (advt.) Pullen and Son are favoured with instructions..to sell by Auction..the elegant and costly stock of Jewellery..embracing splendid dress suites, necklets, and bracelets studded with precious stones, [etc.]. 1865 Morning Star 23 May, The Prince and Princess presented their god-daughter with a necklet. 1884 J. HAWTHORNE Prince Saroni's Wife V. 27 Her only ornaments were the necklet and bracelets of chased silver. 1908 E. F. BENSON Climber 128 There was a diamond necklace (necklet rather, for it was only an affair of twenty stones) that was a dream. 1955 Times 12 July 10/4 There is a certain new richness, too, in flower bracelets and necklets in which the dark and light-coloured stones are placed in two layers to give a somewhat three-dimensional effect. 1991 Independent 30 Nov. 29/2 V-shape Herringbone Necklets..jostle for space with knuckle-duster sized sovereign rings.


 * b. A small fur garment worn round the neck. Now rare.


 * 2. A collar or belt for the neck. Obs.

IMO "necklet" sounds more natural than "neck order".

Greentubing 22:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * In response to the edits of 27 Jan. 06, my comment that "necklet" was "IMO... more natural", was a comment made in passing, which in retrospect I should not have made. However, it doesn't reduce the validity of what was said above and does not change the fact that the word is used as described. Here is more evidence to prove that the word "necklet" is used to describe what its described as a "neck order".


 * Websites--examples of the word "necklet" being used
 * Danish Embassy to USA--Order of the Dannebrog. "Grand Commanders wear the badge on a necklet..."
 * International Napoleonic Society: "Dr. Délia Mata-Ciampoli, Vice-consul and attaché culturel of the Consulat de Miami, in accord with a decree signed by the French Prime Minister on the recommendation of the Minister of Education, bestowed the necklet  of "Commandeur" of the Ordre des Palmes Académiques on Dr. Donald D. Horward..."  (picture second from left) ans also Louisiana State U.
 * (note: all URLS accessed 28 Jan. 06)
 * Searches (to be taken only as a rough indicator)
 * Google
 * necklet "order of" -wikipedia 826 hits
 * "neck order" "order of" -wikipedia 323 hits
 * Wikipedia search
 * However the most interesting result appears when "necklet" is searched on Wikipedia itself. Of the 32 hits, 29 are for "Order of ..." (90%)


 * The Oxford English Dictionary (full unabridged version) has no entry for "neck order" or "neck-order" or "neckorder", but I think this is due to the highly specialised nature of this topic. The OED for "Order" mentions "He stands there in gloomy black doublet with the order of the golden fleece round his neck", which really is not relevant to this debate.


 * I am also aware that the internet can be used to prove anything. I just say this: What would happen if the article was at "Necklet" and "Neck Order" was continuously deleted?


 * I'm sure that "neck order" is used as well to describe the above and just as many internet links can be found for it. But that does not mean that "necklet" can be excluded.
 * I won't add the word in myself this time, becuase obviously there is some reason (which I have not been told yet) why the word is being taken out. I just hope its realised that "neck order" is not the only word used to describe badges worn around the neck suspended from a ribbon.


 * Greentubing 08:17, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

CBE is not necessarily a military decoration
This article begins "A neck order is a type of military decoration". However, the first example given in the list is "Commander of the Order of the British Empire". The Order has both Civil and Military Divisions, and most CBEs are civilians. 86.132.140.45 (talk) 23:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Military?
Why is every decoration considered a "military decoration?" And why are the insignia called awards?

A jewel that is worn as a sign of one's membership of an order is not an award in itself. They are properly called "ïnsignia".

Robert Prummel

Source?

"Orders medals and decorations of Brittain and Europe", Paul Hieronymussen, London 1967

Removed from article Restored with citation support
I have not been able to find a reference source which confirms that the following are associated with an insignia collar:


 * Legion of Honour (France).<:ref>Légion d'honneur: Ordres et décorations, official website


 * Military William Order (Netherlands).<:ref>Military Order of William, official website; Grand Cross, worn without ribbon on the left breast or around the neck on a 55 millimetre wide ribbon, or as a sash.
 * Order of the Netherlands Lion (Netherlands).<:ref>Order of the Netherlands Lion, official website; Commander, hangs from the ribbon, which is worn by men around the neck
 * Order of Orange-Nassau (Netherlands).<:ref>Order of Orange Nassau, official website; Grand Officer, hanging from the ribbon, which is worn by men around the neck
 * Order of the House of Orange (Netherlands).<:ref>Order of the House of Orange, official website; n.b., no mention in official site of necklet or neck order


 * Pour le Mérite (Prussia).<:ref>Pour le Mérite; n.b., 1667, cross was worn around the neck from a long black, "watered ribbon"


 * Medal of Honor (United States).<:ref>Medal of Honor, official website
 * Legion of Merit (United States).<:ref>USAMilitaryMedals.com: Legion of Merit Medal Ribbon; n.b., The Legion of Merit is one of only two United States decorations to be issued as a neck order (the other being the Medal of Honor), and the only United States decoration which may be issued in award degrees (much like an Order of chivalry or certain Orders of Merit).

With appropriate citation support, any or all or these could be restored without delay.

Perhaps I was wrong to construe this article to be about insignia collars exclusively? Perhaps it was intended to inlcude those honors which are represented by a badge suspended from a ribbon around the neck? This would mean that another list would need to be developed, e.g.,
 * Select list of badges suspended from a ribband?

Perhaps a corollary article should be created? I don't have an opinion; but in any case, I guess the text needs to be tweaked a bit so that this is explained more fully. --Tenmei 04:07, 1 October 2009

Restored list except for Order of the House of Orange. This too could be restored with an appropriate confirming citation as support. --Tenmei (talk) 14:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Neologism
I believe "neckorder" is a neologism. Trustworthy being (talk) 19:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge proposal with Collar (order) initiated. Chicbyaccident (talk) 17:40, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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