Talk:Neighbours: The Finale

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Great work here, however I do think the article should still be at Finale (Neighbours). Firstly, since when do we precede episode titles with the series name in article titles? Secondly, there is no clear exact official name: Neighbours: The Finale is the UK styling, Neighbours: Finale in Australia, Neighbours: The Final Farewell in New Zealand, and I imagine others in other countries. For a) conciseness, b) general TV series convention of the last episode being called a "finale", and c) home nation, Finale is preferable. Why the change? U-Mos (talk) 20:03, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

How many episodes?
And also, I'm not convinced by the decision to consider episodes 8901 to 8903 as the finale. Production info, as detailed and sourced in the article, is very clear the finale was conceived as a double episode, and simply broadcast/edited with the preceding episode for the Australian showing. What do others think? U-Mos (talk) 20:06, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * When we first began developing the article it only incorporated the final two episodes. Myself and JuneGloom07 were forced to rewrite sections to reflect the changes. It was annoying but we cannot change the facts: the finale was 90 minutes long in Australia and included Episode 8901. This was the original broadcast of the finale. Jason Herbison is documented in the article discussing how this changed post-production for the Australian version of the finale. So you are wrong to state it was simply shoved onto preceding episode since the preceding episode had to be changed. It was edited into one single broadcast with extra content. Why do you want to rewrite history? It makes no sense. Would you argue to remove bonus tracks mentioned in an album article because they were not originally planned? Would you argue to remove a surprise act from music concert article because they not originally planned? Would you argue to remove reference to an unplanned child from a biography? Things change and they definitely did regarding the finale of Neighbours. Besides, Episode 8901 aired on the same date as the British finale edit and was on their "Neighbours Night" schedule. This is documented in the article and the differences explained with sourced content in the article. It still fits.Rain the 1 20:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

To be clear, all the content edits occur within episode 8903. Your perspective is valid but it's not as cut and dry as you suggest. I certainly think it's appropriate to have a full discussion and find a consensus. U-Mos (talk) 21:36, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

What I think is important here (as I may not have been clear initially) is not just that the finale was conceived as two episodes, but that it was created and completed in that form - and has been broadcast as such, in the UK. Then, as the article details, the Australian scheduling led to it being subsequently re-edited with episode 8901 for its Channel 10 broadcast. The alternative view is to place emphasis on the first/home nation showing. My feeling is the production details, particularly Herbison relating the re-editing process, sway us towards the two-episode iteration taking primacy. U-Mos (talk) 22:13, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Guest characters
There seems to be a slight edit war on the page regarding the guest characters. Characters such as Nell, Hugo, Zara, Wendy, Andrew and Sadie have been listed as guest characters in this instance. I disagree with this. The opposing argument here is that these characters were not listed in title cards with the rest of the regular characters for the final week. However, this is because these are old title cards that have been re-used. Let's look at episode 8851, where much of the cast was not included in the end credit cast title cards. Leo Tanaka was one of the characters not included. So does that mean, following this argument, that Leo was downgraded to a guest character for just this episode? I also think it is highly improbable that Nell, a regular for seven-odd years, would be downgraded for a week. Same as Hugo. What about Zara? A regular for the whole year, but for the last week production decided she would be a guest? There was also a huge deal made about the Rodwells becoming regulars, so I'd doubt they'd be guest characters for the last week. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:23, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I don't think we can really say that old title cards were re-used. And in fact, nice spot that Leo isn't credited in episode 8851, but he is with the main cast in the final fortnight. Also, Harlow and Hendrix are obviously removed, and the order is different. Zara, meanwhile, is in fact credited in 8851. Evidently they are contractual matters of various sorts - Zara, Nell and Hugo (and Sadie) being minors, and the Rodwells joining the main cast when the end of production was set (Candice Leask has talked in an interview about their contracts being short ones, up to the filming end date). So while the distinction between main/guest isn't abundantly clear in the final episode's credits, I think the conistency of those characters appearing further down the list and their absence from the clearly distinguished main cast credits in the preceding episodes means they should be listed as guests here. U-Mos (talk) 22:43, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I would have to disagree Therealscorp1an. They did not reuse old title cards. They have always been consistently updated per episode. U-Mos studied the credits and confirmed - perhaps you should too. I noticed Zara was downgraded and the rest followed. This was another annoying change that we knew would cause issues and has.Rain the 1 23:22, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 15 September 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: No move UtherSRG (talk) 01:33, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Neighbours: The Finale → Finale (Neighbours) – See Talk:Neighbours: The Finale. Proposed title is equally recognisable, more natural, more precise considering the variations on the name in different countries, more concise, and consistent with naming conventions for television episodes. Previous iteration of the article existed stably at this title. U-Mos (talk) 08:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:52, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Subject of the article is consistently referred to as "Neighbours: The Finale" in sources - offline and online TV listings. This iteration of the article can exist stably at this title.Rain the 1 08:05, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That is correct when exculsively looking at the narrow field of UK television listing sources, but it isn't otherwise. As I've already outlined, it is known in listings by other titles in other countries; it's especially odd to select this title when the article's scope is the full triple episode per Australian broadcast, when the UK finale was only the latter two parts of this. In wider sources, commonly referred to as a finale but rarely under any specific designated title:     (NB these are top Google results for 'neighbours finale'). U-Mos (talk) 11:13, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.