Talk:Neve Electronics

A copy of what I posted on User talk:DavidLenehan - in case he isn't aware of that page Hello David,

You appear to be new to Wikipedia, so I'll gently point out the errors of your ways.

Firstly, you have done a couple of things which are considered highly antisocial: Removing alterative definitions and transwiki links in your first edit, and removing the advert and cleanup templates. Note that repeated reversions will lead to your being blocked. The article has been identified as needing work, and if you wish to contest that you need to follow the procedures outlined in the templates.

However, it is very clear that the article as it currently stands does violate the cornerstone principles of Wikipedia - Neutral Point of View and WP:Verifiability. I'm not an admin, so I don't have a load of help links at my fingertips, but I suggest that you read a range of the Wikipedia policy and support articles.

Also, when adding wikilinks, you need to link appropriately - always visit the link when you are at the preview stage. For example, you linked 1073, which goes to an article on the year 1073 AD, or producers which redirected to producer which goes to a disambiguation page linking to lots of articles, one of which was Record producer - probably the article you intended.

You appear to have been personally involved with Neve. It is recommended that individuals do not contribute to articles on themselves nor people with a direct interest in companies or organisations edit articles about the said companies, because it is virtually impossible to maintain an unbiased viewpoint. (There is of course a exception of correcting errors of fact).

The key thing is not to think that anyone is "ganging up" on you. We are all here to help, and the tagging with cleanup and advert templates will bring the article to the attention of experienced editors who want to help you create a good article. dramatic 06:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not the person who wrote this article. I do agree it needs to be cleanedup, however the information isn't fundamentally flawed. I can't give you academic sources, but almost every single recording magazine mentions neve consoles as legendary, they are highly sought after, and one of a list of very few companies that are used by large recording facilities. The problem with wikipedia is much of music industy, does not provide pencil and paper sources, of the nature wikipedia is looking for. As the field is very hands on. There is some, but a lot of hand down by word of mouth among people who are interested. If needed there can be a very long list of commercial studios that use Neve consoles,and magazine citations that will afirm the fact neves are legendary, but you won't find one clear source.

Hi

Re the above final sentence...

I worked at the Neve group of companies from October 1971 to December 1985 and have substantial documentation to back up the corrections made to this page. It does not read like an advertisement in my opinion but rather an accurate record of the development of a famous company. Much of the information I have posted is not available on any other web page and demonstrates the depth of my knowledge of the company. I could write lots more but it would conflict with a book I'm writing.

I have added bold type to any major change to the Neve history and added links to other Wikipedia pages.

Geoff Tanner (Head of the Electrical Drawing Office, Custom Design Engineer in the Sales Department, Special Orders Manager, Special Products Manager and Spares Orders Manager... the last three positions held concurrently!) Geoff T 04:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Written like an advertisement
Just my opinion but I feel the addition of current products and client list has turned this history based entry into a quazi-advertisement. Geoff T 01:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, although mentioning a few prominent users/clients wouldn't be a bad idea. What I would really like to see would be a list of important recordings using Neve equipment, examples of the "Neve sound". I would also be interested in seeing a list of Neve products that are considered "classics" that are sought after by those in the know. Steve carlson 03:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and wacked the client list and current product sections. Steve carlson 03:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * What I saw today looks good. Wamnet 16:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Two Seperate Articles
There are two serpeate articles for AMS Neve. One under this name, one under the name AMS Neve they need to be merged.

They are completely seperate companies. Rupert Neve has nothing really to do with AMS Neve.--Electronic Music (talk) 14:23, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

This Article Is Complete Garbage
I just removed a false claim about Neve making a digital console in 1980, something that didn't happen until five years later. Neve, AMS, and every other company associated with them have a long history of claiming to have been the first to create something when they weren't, and backdating everything they did to prior years.

This bogus advertisement of an article is peppered with countless sources...which are all the same god damned thing, the AMS Neve website! That website (and the many different versions of it you might find in the internet archive) contains many false claims, the two most annoying to me are the claims of making the first hard disk recorder/DAW in 1984 and the first digital mixing console (the Neve DSP) in 1980.

If you look at each paragraph and the way it begins and ends, you'll see that every bit of it comes verbatim (give or take a few words) from the AMS Neve website, which is a commercial website for advertising purposes only. This is an internet encyclopedia, not the AMS Neve website!

Whoever is doing this repeatedly, please stop uploading the AMS Neve brochure to Wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.100.147 (talk) 15:55, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Citation 7
As I write this, Citation 7 leads to http://www.emusician.com/gear/0769/ams-neve-1073/137814

Which is a wonderful article. But it doesn't say anything about "subharmonics," as presented in the related sentence in the Wiki: "The sound is described as very big, fat, and colored. The factor contributing to the larger than life sound is greatly attributed to the design of the transformer which seems to add subharmonics to the signal.[7]".

Indeed, the part about subharmonics seems to be wild conjecture, as it ought to be physically impossible for them to be created within a simple transformer. And there is no citation which supports it.

I'd delete the whole thing, but for all I know it's true, and I also do not want to lose the reference to the emusician article.

I will check back in awhile (days, months, years? who knows) and nuke appropriately if it has not improved in that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flodadolf (talk • contribs) 01:39, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

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