Talk:New Helvetia

Requested move
Helvetia is not Spanish, and there is no Nuevo/Nueva: it's New Helvetia, and I've never seen it printed any different until now. Nueva Helvecia is a city located to the Southeast of the department of Colonia in Uruguay whose capital is Colonia del Sacramento, so I believe that's where the confusion is coming from. A Google search of "New Helvetia" turns up about 39,300 results refering to Sutter's settlement. "Nueva Helvecia" turns up 34,200 results refering to the city in Uruguay. "Nuevo Helvetia" and "Nueva Helvetia" turn up only 735 and 557 hits respectively, which are most likely typos or uneducated mistakes considering that neither are proper Spanish, and like I said before, I've never seen either in print. Spintriae 22:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Obviously correct. WP:UE Septentrionalis 04:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Back then California was under Mexican control and the names of the Ranchos were likely in spanish. Helvetia is not spanish, it is the female personification of Switzerland. But the english word "new" would probably not have been used. I know for a fact that in his journal entries, John Augustus Sutter, Jr., referred to some of his father's lands as "Nueva Helvetia". That all being said: I think they should all be consolidated in the interest of having a one-stop-shop where people can go to learn about these things. Explain the different incarnations of the name and if there are multiple land grants with that name or similar names then explain that too. None of the articles is very long, so it would not hurt to combine and make them more effective learning tools.--Toyz1988 (talk) 20:12, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Several locations
From Talk:John Sutter:
 * There were two seperate Rancho Neuva Helvetias owned by Sutter, one in current Sacramento County, covering the area in and around Sacramento and one in present Yuba and Sutter Counties, including Marysville and Olivehurst. Sutter also owned Rancho Esquon, south of Chico in Butte County, and Fort Ross in Sonoma County.

--84.20.17.84 15:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Map
I'd like a map of his possessions with the location of current important cities. --84.20.17.84 15:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The Online Archive of California has original maps but they are too small for details. --84.20.17.84 16:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal

 * Request to combine article w/Rancho New Helvetia

There seems to be some confusion as to where the actual lands were. I propose combining this article and Rancho New Helvetia to make one article that explains it all (and states what is in dispute concerning the facts). They are probably distinct entities but are linked so closely it would be an advantage for those reading the article.Toyz1988 (talk) 20:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

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