Talk:New York Mets

Joan Whitney Payson
The history section has no mention of Mrs. Payson. The article should acknowledge her role in the creation of the Mets, with a link to her Wikipedia page. That page has more about the Mets' creation than this does. I'm not qualified to make the edit; can someone step up and get it done? 2600:4041:5C11:7D00:4DA:9641:A82E:83BC (talk) 16:44, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Mets/Cardinals
, Articles for deletion/Cardinals–Mets rivalry closed as delete in part because of "a lack of historical coverage to justify the article's existence". How can we justify a section for it then on either this or the Cardinals team article when we have deemed it not notable due to insufficient coverage? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:48, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


 * We deemed it not sufficiently independently notable, therefore not worthy of an article. But a section at the teams' articles allows us to include coverage without an independent article. While the rivalry is mostly historical, it remains part of each team's history and should be mentioned in that context. oknazevad (talk) 16:51, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not agree that there was a "historical" rivalry between these two teams, any more so than between any two random MLB teams that play each other several times a year. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:11, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Then you weren't following them back in the mid 80s when they were battling over the NL East every year, a rivalry made more intense by Keith Hernandez having played for the Cardinals before joining the Mets. No less than the radio voice of the Mets (and lifelong fan), Howie Rose, has discussed such things on air, as for that matter so has Hernandez in his current role as a Mets broadcaster. As I said, it was historical, but it was definitely a thing. oknazevad (talk) 17:16, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It appears that agrees with me that we shouldn't have a section on a non-existent rivalry here. It's a shame there's no further input from other editors.
 * Two teams being good at the same time does not make for a rivalry. Keith Hernandez getting traded from the Cardinals to the Mets does not make it a rivalry. The comments of the play-by-play announcer do not make it a rivalry. A lack of sourcing even from the mid 1980s about it shows that it wasn't a rivalry. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. After I was reverted, I checked the article history and was surprised to learn that it had already been deleted once before only to be reverted by the same user. @Oknazevad even admits it's a "historic rivalry" in the edit summary of their last reversion. Incorporate it into the history section then. An appendage of the past doesn't deserve its own separate subsection. TempDog123 (talk) 23:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I would have no issue with it being worked into the history section. As I said, it is mostly historic, but it was an important part of team history. oknazevad (talk) 23:27, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's an acceptable compromise to me. I don't deny that there was a rivalry between the two teams in the 1980s, but that's where it begins and ends. It doesn't warrant a separate subsection but would probably warrant a mention in that part of their history. I've attempted to incorporate it as such. Please let me know what you think. TempDog123 (talk) 00:03, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Rivalries
The rivalries that the Mets had with both the Pittsburgh Pirates and St. Louis Cardinals are historical. We should put both those teams under historical rivalries. The Mets' rivalry with the Pirates was due to both having high-profile rivalries with the Philadelphia Phillies and it peaked during the late 1980s and early 1990s when Barry Bonds and Bobby Bonilla played for the Pirates and Jim Leyland was their manager.

Also executives on both the Mets and Pirates recalled the two teams playing critical intense games at Three Rivers Stadium late in the season. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 01:22, 10 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Two teams playing each other in critical intense games just means they're in the same league, not that they are "rivals". You have not presented any sources here that would justify that claim. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:31, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Both the Mets and the Pirates were in the NL East during the 1980s and early 1990s. Both teams being in the same division and the rivalries they had with Philadelphia were the reasons. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 00:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2024
Please change “ The team ended the 2023 season with a 75–81 record finishing fourth in the NL East Division.” to “ The team ended the 2023 season with a 75–87 record finishing fourth in the NL East Division.” Since 75-87 was there record 69.118.230.235 (talk) 14:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ The existing citation confirms this, thanks. Jamedeus (talk) 16:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2024
merge some more of info from the history of Mets article into the history section of this article 173.72.3.91 (talk) 16:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 18:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)