Talk:New York State Route 254

GA review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Could use a note about how many lanes NY 254 has.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   I wouldn't go so far to say that a map is required for GA status, but one should be made before consideration for A status.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Congrats! —Rob (talk) 03:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Speed Limits removed

I recently created a Speed Limit table (shown below) which was removed. Is this information not relevant to the topic? Is it not encyclopedic? Should it be in prose and placed as part of the Route Description? Were my citations not sufficient?

Route segment	Length (miles)	Speed Limit (mph)
I-87 to US 9	0.7	35
US 9 to Warren/Washington county line	4.6	40
Warren/Washington county line to River St (near St Pauls Dr)	0.6	35
River St (near St Pauls Dr) to US 4	0.1	30

*length to nearest 1/10th mile
--JBC3 (talk) 01:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Prose form would look something like this:

Route 254 begins at Exit 19 of the Adirondack Northway (Interstate 87) and Aviation Road, which continues to County Route 58. The highway heads eastward, permitting speeds of 35 mph while crossing the Northway and passing Aviation Mall. It then intersects with U.S. Route 9. Route 254 then changes names to Quaker Road, the speed limit increases to 40 mph, and the control of the road is turned over to Warren County as County Route 47 and further along as County Route 70. Route 254 continues eastward, intersecting with County Route 34 (Glenwood Avenue), County Route 7 (Bay Road), and New York State Route 9L — which leads toward Floyd Bennett Memorial Airport. There, 254 turns to the southeast, and intersects with County Route 42 (Dix Avenue), then New York State Route 32, then County Route 79 (Boulevard) and then NY 911E. At this point, Route 254 turns east becoming River Street, where control is given back to the state and the speed limit returns to 35 mph. The route passes into Washington County and enters Hudson Falls. It then continues southward for a short distance, and the speed limit becomes 30 mph before terminating at U.S. Route 4 and New York State Route 196. ...

Thoughts? --JBC3 (talk) 01:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I removed it because it looked horrible as a chart, I can say add it as prose, not with the italics and it has to have better sources.Mitch32^{(Go Syracuse)} 09:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I placed the speed limits into the route description and added references that go directly to street views on google maps, the speed limit signs in sight. Hopefully this is sufficient. --JBC3 (talk) 05:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

References

County Route 32B

The article itself says that the county only maintains Route 254 along Quaker Road, a fact that is supported by the Queensbury Highway Department and from the USGS map (used by the NYSDOT), which labels Quaker Road with CR47 and CR70 but no CR32B. The only sources (that I am aware of) that allege the existence of a CR32B are maps with Jimapco cartography. Because of this, a subsection has been added to the bottom of the route description noting the discrepancy between sources. A quick call to Warren County Department of Public Works (518)761-6556 confirms the following (which is already supported by the facts provided): 1. there is no County Route 32B; 2. Quaker Road is the only part of Route 254 maintained by Warren County; 3. only two County Routes (signed or otherwise) are designated along that stretch, namely CR47 and CR70. --JBC3 (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

No, the Warren County's map itself, which I have, says 32B in the Warren inset.3 1/2 years of Mitch32 21:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this the map that is currently used as a reference in the Discrepancies section (reference 13)? The one with Jimapco cartography? This section deals with that. I removed CR32B from the lead, as seemed appropriate from WP:UNDUE, but retained the information elsewhere because the discrepancy is both verifiable and prominent (being in a Warren County map itself for a significant period of time). Not only do the Queensbury Highway Department and USGS not recognize a Route 32B, but neither do Yahoo Maps and Google Maps. Although it cannot be used as a reference (due to WP:OR), Warren County DPW confirmed via phone that there is no 32B, as stated above. --JBC3 (talk) 02:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

The NYSDOT inventory (dated March 2009) indicates that the only county-maintained portion of NY 254 is located in Warren County between US 9 and Warren Street, which matches the NYSDOT topo. The rest of NY 254 is state-maintained. Now, as to all the discussion above, the article seems to describe this "CR 32B" as being in Washington County, not Warren County. But I would just junk the subsection entirely since it's just a mapping error, probably from bad source data that had "32B" as an entry from the old state designation of the same number decades before. – TMF 21:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, TMF, I'm okay with scrapping the subsection and all mention of CR32B if there is no objection. --JBC3 (talk) 22:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done --JBC3 (talk) 17:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)