Talk:New York State Route 418

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Thanks! &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 17:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I've tried every news source possible to why the Dude Ranch Trail is named as such. Nothing says it. Also, I had to remove the picture, because my source for the photo doesn't allow editing. (Last I checked, an image is not important in a GA). Otherwise, the other thing I fixed. Mitch 32contribs 18:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * A quick general Google search gives me two important links: and . The first tells me it's a National Scenic Byway, which means the trail is more likely tourist-oriented than anything. The second is a link to a Adirondack North County Association page, which I would consider a reliable source and reinforces the fact that the Dude Ranch Trail is tourist-oriented. This trail had an establishment date of some sort - it'd be nice to know what that was, so I'd do an exhaustive search on who made the trail and when first. &mdash; Rob  (  talk  ) 18:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Used both links, thanks for that. Is that everything? Mitch 32contribs 21:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The edits don't quite cover my standard for "major aspects". You sort of have a decision to make. The Dude Ranch Trail, being a National Scenic Byway, is notable. It looks like it runs on SH 418, SH 1, SH 9N, and possibly U.S. 9, based on the map. So you probably should split it out into its own article.

Alternatively, this article can be where Dude Ranch Trail redirects. If you go this route (ha!), you'll have to provide more specifics on the trail, within reason. At the very least, an origin date. Optimally, and especially to be considered an FA, a complete summary of who wanted to establish the trail, when, how it happened, etc. &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 21:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I won't be able to make it to the Dude Ranch Trail area until mid-July. But there, I will be able to get a pic of 1) Route 418, and 2) the Dude Ranch Trail. For now, I'm sort of short the information needed. It can eventually have its own article, but not yet. Mitch 32contribs 21:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The trail should be in its own article, since very little of it is actually NY 418 - somewhere in the range of four out of the total 43 miles. –  T M F 21:40, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For the record, since the one map I used above really does a poor job with the designations, here's what comprises the trail, clockwise from Stony Creek: (Warren) CR 3, CR 2, NY 418, US 9, CR 35, NY 9N, CR 44, (Saratoga) CR 1, (Warren) CR 12. –  T M F 21:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That sounds correct. There's also the law ref in the article, which lists its routing. Mitch 32contribs 21:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

It looks like History sections are optional for WP:NYSR. I would recommend noting the earliest date of origin in the lead and removing the History section altogether, if you don't have any information on other major aspects of the route's history. &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 12:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Done, although I don't like the idea. <sup style="color:red;">Mitch <b style="color:red;">32</b><sup style="color:red;">contribs 19:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe you misunderstood that guideline. The reason it reads optional is that if someone is following the page to a "T" and sees that history is required, they don't create a section saying "The history of this route is unknown" or make up some stuff for the route. As the article is right now, if I was reviewing it, I'd fail it for lack of comprehensiveness - that is, no history whatsoever. –  T M F 21:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't mind restoring the history, but now that Rob wants the Dude Ranch Trail thing, it becomes impossible to deal with. 1 sentence history still fails for comprehensiveness, and doesn't help me any way. <sup style="color:red;">Mitch <b style="color:red;">32</b><sup style="color:red;">contribs 21:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The Dude Ranch Trail article is the right thing to do. :-p That it happens to leave the article's history lacking is unfortunate, so we really ought to define what a comprehensive history section is. If it's a just a history of reroutes like we've been doing, it's not really fair to routes that haven't been rerouted at all in their entire history. &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 23:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I wholeheartedly agree with you, Rob, about the Trail. Regarding comprehensive histories, I don't know if a static definition can really be made since it will vary so much by route. A good comparison can be made between NY 28 and NY 23A. Since NY 28 has had so many reroutings, that's what composes the bulk of its history; on the other hand, since NY 23A has remained the same since the mid-1920s (and is possibly the oldest route in New York that is unchanged), the history also contains other developments, namely the 2006 closure of the route due to flooding and landslides. If I had to give a "guideline" suggestion, it would probably be that for the less history a route has in terms of reroutings, the more it is necessary to find history through other means. –  T M F 23:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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It's not the best article, and there are some issues, but for the sake of GA it passes. Good work. Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  14:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
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 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
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 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
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