Talk:Newcastle upon Tyne/Archive 1

Novocastrian
Where does this word come from?

The term 'Novocastrian' is used as a term to describe a person born in Newcastle, Australia. It also refers to any person born within the old medieval city walls of Newcastle upon Tyne, England, UK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.241.66 (talk) 01:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I live in Newcastle upon tyne and have never heard this word before. No-one refers to us as this and I would not refer to myself as this!

Novocastrian Is Latin for a person from Newcastle. www.toonhistory.co.uk

I quickly searched google, It points to several websies on newcastle.au That's australia. I think that's where this info is from.

it's wrong


 * It's historic, but has fallen out of use. There's Novocastrian rugby union club ("Novos"), and a Novocastrian social club in Arthur's Hill as two examples. The phrase isn't nearly as common as Liverpudlian or Mancunian, but it does exist. I live in NuT as well. Grinner 10:21, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)


 * The term Novocastrian is widely and commonly used to refer to a person from Newcastle, NSW, Australia. Now tell me why /wiki/Newcastle doesn`t link to the disambiguos site instead of N on Tyne? Stepping on 100s of 1000s of feet here :) -Snorre/Antwelm 09:40, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, I've changed the "novocastrian" redirect to link to the disambig page. Grinner 14:16, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

I know the Royal Grammar School in Newcastle refers to its alumni as "Old Novocastrians".


 * I can second that as I used to go there! It's not the only place I've ever heard it, though most other places have been reference sites such Wiki rather in everyday use.

In the commentary to the video NEWCASTLE, a Journey Through the Ages, the word Novocastrians is used to describe the crowds flocking to see the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh in 1954. This commentary is formal, but not excessively so.

Bandalore 18:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Gateshead has much better tourist stuff than newcastle. The beautiful new Gateshead bridge and the Gates head Baltic.


 * And the Sage, yes - but that's three things. As mentioned below, the bridge cannot be called Gateshead's. Newcastle has many more touristy things than Gateshead. I was born on the south side of the river so I should be biased towards there if anything, but there's no denying that Newcastle is the more popular tourist destination.

Ahem - the bridge connects Newcastle with Gateshead so can't be counted as belonging exclusively with either.


 * I'll bet Paris is even better, but we don't need ot mention that Newcastle has no Eiffel Tower. Morwen 22:33, Jan 15, 2004 (UTC)

The main Gateshead tourist attractions you mention merely bask in the reflected glory from across the river. ---

Angel
Why does it say the Angel is on the southern approach to Newcastle? I hope this is not one of those complex wikidisputes about cities and towns and unitary authorities an ting but from my simpleton's perspective the Angel would have to be some miles north and east of its current location for this to be true. I am tempted to change it but I'd like to hear what anyone else thinks. 138.37.188.109 09:26, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Well, you're coming from the south, approaching Newcastle (according to the road signs) on the A1 and it's there. I guess it more comes down to how far away you'd class an "approach" as.


 * Ah, no. It - the Angel - is only on the approach to Newcastle in the same way as, say, High Barnet or Durham or Embleton is. Otherwise, no. The road signs are too vague and may denote direction, but cannot be taken as a guide - except in the most phenomenally broad sense - to "approachness". That it is on the approach to Gateshead is more sensible but really it's on a road which goes *round* Newcastle rather a lot. The wise and cool person above is right, bless their socks. Ah yes, it's me. Tsk. 138.37.199.206 15:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's gone anyway. I should have checked. What a waste of ink, sorry! 138.37.199.206 08:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Bridgecruft
If you look at the Millenium Bridge you will see it touches down on the Northside on a piers that stands in the Tyne. As a result it doesn't actually bridge to Newcastle at all. (what?)


 * The bridge *must* at some point connect to the Newcastle side of the river or it'd be a pretty useless bridge!

In terms of charges the Newcastle couldn't organise a p**s up in a brewery remember the Gay Festival debacle - oh and wasting several million pounds of rate payers money on Capital of Culture. And demolishing most of Graingertown to build the Eldon Centre. (and other whining)


 * Was the Capital of Culture bid a waste of money because they lost? Or would it have been a waste anyway because you regard it as pointless?

Perhaps I should point out that the Gay Festival in London was a financial flop too - and so was the one in Sydney. It wasn't only Newcastle who failed in the City of Culture bid: Birmingham, Belfast, Oxford, Brighton and others did too. Europe is littered with 'failed' cities. Eldon Square was violated, and the Royal Exchange demolished, but a great deal remains of Graingertown. Grey Street was declared the finest in England recently by CABE. AND the Norwich Union atrocity is coming down - by public demand.Really, aren't whinings of the above nature better addressed to the Journal rather than in an encyclopaedia context?

Emmet 21.1.06

Pictures
There are some nice public domain images of the area available for download at the Library of Congress. My suggestion is to download the full size TIFF version, open it in Photoshop, resize it and then change it to indexed colors and save it as a PNG. If you need help with this, send me a message. --[[User:Brian0918|brian0918 talk]] 03:33, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The 'Slug like' Sage Centre was recently awarded the worst new building award by Private Eye.


 * I think that would be more appropriate on a Gateshead page, however. Jon Dowland 14:06, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Two years back Newcastle City Council and the regional development agency pumped several hundred thousand pounds into a film starring Patsy Kensit to improve the image of. it failed to get a distributor and was shut down after three days at a subsidised screening in Newcastle. Undetered Newcastle Council etc just pumped several hundred thousand pounds into 'The School of Seduction' starring Kelly Brook and Billy Zane which has also failed to attract a distributor. Currently filming in Newcastle is 'Goal' which also ...... (is a huge worldwide success)


 * I saw that at the Silverlink this afternoon and it played to a packed cinema. However, a mate of mine saw it in Leeds the night before and there were 12 people watching it!

What relevance have complaints about Newcastle City Council incompetence to an encyclopaedia article? Send your comments to Newcastle City Life, or the Journal. It's what the Australians call 'Crying stinking fish'.

Piloti's remarks in Private Eye addressed only the outside of the Sage. He was annoyed that it was actually a cliched design. He didn't criticise the interior and acoustic quality of the Sage. It would have been a cheek if he had, because London's big concert halls are both sub-standard. Conductors hate the Royal Festival Hall and NOTHING IS EVER RECORDED THERE, a damning fact. They have been tinkering with the Royal Albert Hall for fifty years, and the acoustics are still erratic. Nothing is recorded there either. All this refurbishment money (and it's still going on) comes out of the taxpayer. 85% of all arts funding is spent in London.

Piloti (Gavin Stamp) made a TV programme about Newcastle in 2005 and praised the city to the skies. He still didn't like the Sage design but strong;ly approved of Baltic and the Millennium Bridge.

Bandalore 21.1.06

Wallsend
"A geordie could also refer to someone from the area eg. Wallsend". Why Wallsend exactly? Why not Cullercoats or North Shields something like that, even Whitley Bay? An article about London wouldn't say people from Yeading are also known as cockneys. I'd say someone from newcastle is a geordie, someone with a newcastle accent has a geordie accent. However, most people from the area are labelled geordies anyway. Why Wallsend though?
 * I used Wallsend as an example, hence the e.g. I could have said North Shields or Whitley Bay, they would also have been examples. You are welcome to rephrase this section. Grinner 16:09, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

The City
removed the following - seriously doubt that this is the council's main plan for economic regeneration for the city. Unless someone can give a source for this, it should go. Also have some doubts as to the accuracy of the second point. Only similar story I could find on BBC news, the victim made a (partial) recovery, wasn't beaten to death. Nasty as this incident was, is it integral to this article? AndrewMcQ 23:20, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * The Council's main plan for the economic regeneration of the City over the last fifteen years has been as a 'Party City' destination for 'stag' and 'hen' parties but this has resulted in significant public order and Policing issues and has acted as a disincentive for private investment. In 2002 there was a well reported incident when a member of a visiting stag party was beaten to death in a drunken brawl by an off duty Newcastle policeman.

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I have installed a fair amount of early history (later history is vast) and rephrased the Geordie para. Most of Graingertown remains, thank heavens and Grey Street was declared the finest street in England recently by CABE, the Council for the Built Environment. I have heard something about re-facading Eldon Square.

The 'slug-like' description of the Sage was not Private Eye's (London journalists don't get about much) but that of their architecture correspondent Piloti (Gavin Stamp,whose views are individual.

Unless things have changed, the police have taken a relaxed view about the party city. With 100,000 people flooding in every weekend, the odd ugly incident must occur, I suppose.

Being European City of Culture brings great publicity and cash from tourism, so it's a worthwhile enterprise.

Emmet 18.14  15  June 2005

History/ Organisation
Perhaps there is enough History to create a new page History of Newcastle upon Tyne, with a more concise version on the main page?

Also, "The City" section could probably be split up into seperate sections and expanded. Perhaps having a Sport section, one for Universities/Colleges, one for Entertainment etc. What do people think? Johnwalton 11:29, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd go with both of those ideas. Grinner 13:58, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, well based on that I've made a start. I've reorganised "The City" section and expanded some of the sections a little. Some of the new sections (notably Religion/Catholocism and Education) need expanding, but hopefully this will be a catalyst for someone to develop these. Unless someone beats me to it, I'll edit the History section down for the main page and transfer whats there now to a new page, probably tomorrow. Johnwalton 21:13, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Are you bored? There's DABing to be done...
If anyone's looking for time to fill, then there's a lot of DABing work to be done at Newcastle (disambiguation) :) The JPS 11:17, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

North Run Goody Bag
"Finishers are presented with a goody-bag which contains - among other prizes - black-pudding, pickled onions and beer"

Really? Seems highly dubious....


 * It's not the Great North Run, but the Blaydon Race (as the articel says). It's definately true, a mate of mine did it this year. Grinner 09:16, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Notable Citizen
What qualifies someone to be a notable citizen? Place of birth? current residence? Titus Bramble was born in Ipswich. Numerous other NUFC footballers also live in Newcastle, so why is Titus in particular listed?


 * I removed him at some point in the past, and shall do so again. Personally I think the whole section should go. Any thoughts? -- Jon Dowland 10:39, 28 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't think the section should go, many other articles on cities have this included. However the title should not be so ambiguous. We should decide whether it's classed on place of birth, place of resident or both and change the title of the section accordingly.


 * I included Bruce Welch as (although he was born in Bognor Regis) he was brought up in Newcastle, and is therefore a notable citizen.....however if the heading should be changed to notable people born in Newcastle, then he should be omitted from the list.DavidFarmbrough 11:48, 28 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Most other UK cities have a List of famous people from XX page, but it rarely seems to state what the criteria is. I think in general the net is cast pretty wide! Just thought I'd mention this. Grinner 12:27, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * When I did a major tidy to the Salford article, I established seperate subsections for 'famous people born in' and 'famous residents past/present'. The JPS 12:31, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Jon Dowland. It's embarrassing that an ancient city like Newcastle, with hundreds of famous residents - Lord Armstrong, Mrs Gaskell, Thomas Bewick, George and Robert Stephenson, Mary Astell, Ove Arup, Basil Hume, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Charles Parsons, Israel Brodie and many more should be represented by a few modern footballers and musicians.

Jimmy Nail doesn't live in Newcastle anyway. If he qualifies then so should Rowan Atkinson, Ant n' Dec, Lady Lucinda Lambton, Mark Knopfler and scores more. If what is meant is present-day citizens, then the choice is again pitifully narrow. What about philosopher Mary Midgeley the human cloning people at the University, and prize-winning literary names like poet Sean O'Brien, novelist David Almond, Tony Harrison of the National Theatre, Lee Hall(Billy Elliot); etc. etc? Time for a re-think.

Emmet  28.9.05


 * Well add them then. In fact I will! Grinner 09:51, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Grinner. I didn't want to compile a list until the questions raised had been settled. Heaviside's residence was new to me. It seems a good list, though I'll add John Wesley and Jean-Paul Marat. Oh, and Sir Alfred Noble was a ballistics expert and industrialist, in charge of Armstrongs, effectively, from 1883 to 1915, rather than a physicist.

Emmet 25.9.05


 * Cheers. I must admit that I hadn't heard of most of the people, but it was fascinating reading, Heaviside particluarly seems worthy of more reknown. Grinner 09:09, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Surely - Tim Healy, Sir John Hall - MetroCentre, Donna Air, Jayne Middlemiss, Paul 'Gazza' Gascoigne, Tony Blair - PM, Steve Harmison - Cricketer, Kevin Whately, Jackie & Bobby Charlton -World Cup Winners and 'Wor' Jackie Milburn deserve to be in the list.

Gazza was born in Gateshead (Dunston, in fact) not Newcastle, and Tony Blair... wasn't he nearer Durham? I should go look that up. Thanks for adding the "Sir" to Bobby Robson in the list. I meant to do that when I tidied last night and forgot. Hmm, and I think Ridley Scott (and his brother Tony) were born in North or South Shields? Again, need to be checked. IainP (talk) 09:09, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Just did some checking - Blair was born in Edinburgh! Though he grew up in New Zealand and Durham. Learn something new every day... According to Wiki, Ridley Scott was born in South Shields and Tony Scott in Stockton. The Charltons, Steve Harmison and Sir John Hall are all Ashingtonians. Kevin Whately, Donna Air and Tim Healy were born in Newcastle - I've added/removed them accordingly. If I get the time today, I'll double-check all the entries on the list and remove those not born in Newcastle. IainP (talk) 09:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Tony Blair was brought up in High Shincliffe from age 5. He attended Durham Choristers School. He never lived in Newcastle. Rowan Atkinson was actually born in Newcastle though the family lived in Consett. The same goes for Lady Lucinda Lambton, who spent childhood years at Lambton castle on the Wear.

I see some cities simply have a section entitled FAMOUS RESIDENTS or equivalent and that includes people born there, and those who lived part of their lives there. That would solve the problem. Interested readers could then go on to the individual entries.

My information from the Northern Echo's NORTHERN PEOPLE - a good source because the entries are compiled by the individuals themselves - is that Kevin Whately was born in Humshaugh. He certainly acted in Newcastle as a young man and would qualify.

Emmet 17.1.06


 * The advantage with "birhplace" is that it's (usually) easy to find and it's a documented statement of fact. Someone who lived in the Toon (or immediately surrounding areas) for a week... does that count? A fleeting stay for 3 months while they worked on a panto? Is there a minimum residency time limit before they qualify, or do they have to have owned a property to count?


 * I know I'm chucking loads of questions in, but I promise I'm not trying to be awkward :) As an example, would the Charlton brothers still qualify? I have no idea where they lived after they were born in Ashington. Likewise Tony & Ridley Scott. Many people percieve them as Geordies or Toon-related because of the accent being "Geordie" (though in Charlton's case it definitely isn't if you're from the area!)


 * IainP (talk) 11:12, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, agreed about birthplace. Brief visitors,travelling actors or other performers do not count - even, in Newcastle's case the Beatles, Charles Dickens or Shakespeare who acted there in 1588! Property isn't necessary: many of Newcastle's famous residents stayed with relatives, or rented accommodation. Sporting mercenaries should not be included as a rule.

I would make three months residence the bare minimum (though there could be exceptions; George Orwell's stays in Wigan etc. were short but produced results of national significance). Wordsworth's sister Dorothy lived in Princess Square for three months and mentions it in letters. I haven't put her in yet, but I think she would just qualify.

It hardly matters whether outsiders perceive particular individuals as Geordies or 'toon related'. As long as birth and residence are verifiable, that settles the matter.

Iain, You might like to look at my website for NE famous people and literary folk of national note. There are loads of people who would qualify - and plenty of surprises.

www.myersnorth.co.uk

Emmet 20.1.06


 * Cheers, Emmet. When I get the time I'll have a look. At the moment I'm up to my eyeballs in selling my house and arranging storage for all my stuff while I fly off to Thailand and New Zealand for a year... I now fully expect NUFC to win the title next year without losing a single game as I've had to give up my season ticket. Gah. IainP (talk) 15:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Deleted Robson Green today. He was born in Hexham.

Emmet 26.1.06

Education
The RGS apparently being recognised as one of the best schools in the north... as reckoned by whom? There are other private schools in the area and I'm sure most will lay claim to the same thing. Do we have any facts/figures from independant sources to back this up? As an ex-student there, I frankly hate the place, but will try my best to be objective if the current vague comment can be reworded or reinforced! Mosh 06:55, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

League tables, my good man; whether results alone constitute a good school is debatable but RGS does undeniably get results...not an alumnus; when I was at school we thought them insufferably arrogant and foolishly coiffured. Wouldn't send my own there as it seems to have become a bit f a sausage factory. "Chld does not live on homework alone, but a bit of football in the street and telly too".81.170.62.51 23:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Although I would hate to wade into a quagmire, the type of comments as shown above is a source of great annoyance to me. As I have observed over the years, the people who find it easy to refer to private school children as being arrogant/snobbish/etcetera are either jealous or have been unfortunate enough to have come across the minority who ARE arrogant. My parents and grandparents all went to boarding schools (supposedly the most arrogant, snobbish and elitist type of school) and I can honestly say that they all are friendly, polite and humble, and so are all of their former classmates.

If someone were to say that all state schools are full of skinhead chavs who are obsessed with looking and acting 'hard', you would certainly object. It is true that such 'chavs' form a minority (or a majority, sadly, in some cases) in the state school population - and it is also true that arrogant/snobbish schoolchildren form a minority in private and boarding schools. The vast majority of private school pupils are very respectable people from respectable professional families. It would be wise, in the future, to keep one's generalisations to a minimum. OrangeSalochin 14 October 2006

Gateshead split
Still not sure about Baltic/Sage being mentioned here. Also what about Newcastle in Film/TV?


 * I'd agree with the Baltic/Sage thing. That really ought to be on the Gateshead article. With the two places bonding as part of the City of Culture bid (and beyond) it's easy to merge them by default. Also, the Toon on TV is a good idea. Start a list! Goal, Get Carter, Byker Grove, Spender... IainP (talk) 11:37, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Born In Newcastle
I've trawled the list, corrected some links and removed some names. To be specific: In addition, I have some which are "query-able". I've been through Wiki and Google for the following, but have left them on the list in the meantime: I've also dis-ambiguated a couple of links, but left those which have no article at the end of them in the hope something gets added. IainP (talk) 11:21, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Rowan Atkinson was born in Consett, Co Durham
 * Bobby Robson was born in Sacriston, Co Durham
 * Ridley Scott was born in South Shields
 * Jack Higgins - According to Iblist he was born in Belfast. On the other hand, according to Penguin, it's Newcastle.
 * Lucinda Lambton's father held a title in Durham and I can find no information on her actual birthplace
 * Jayne Middlemiss only ever seems to be listed as having been born in "Northumbria", not Newcastle

Lucinda Lambton gives her birthplace as Newcastle (10 May 1943) in Northern People, a valuable annual supplement published by the Northern Echo, in which participants supply their own information. It's available on the net.

Bandalore 16.25 11 May 2006

Proposed removal
Is the section on the gay community really needed? I think it should be removed. Firstly, there are no cited sources, and that bit about the bars and clubs seems like a violation of Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising. Apart from that, IMO it is not what you would normally find in an encyclopaedia (it’s unencyclopaedic). There was a similar section in the article on Israel, which was about how Israel and Turkey are the only countries in the Middle East where people can be openly gay and how there has been an influx of immigrants from other middle eastern countries where homosexuality is illegal (Saudi Arabia, Jordan etc). They had clearly more to write about the subject than we can and yet, that section was removed (see the relevant discussion).

I have also noticed that WikiProject Cities, which issues a standard layout for articles on cities does not include such a section and articles on other cities don’t include one either, the article on Newcastle now seems to be out of line with the majority of other city articles.

Anyway, this is just food for thought - please consider it. Izehar 18:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's accurate and concise. There's nothing particulalry controversial about it which needs to be cited. It is encyclopaedic because it accurately reflects part of the culture of a major British city. Wikipedia is not a soap box; however, this is not a rant. It is well written, and factual. The JPS 00:25, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I still think it makes this article appear inconsistent with other articles on cities (even cities with a more active gay community). Also, there are very few cited sources. Not just on this section, but on all sections. Maybe this is why this article didn’t become a featured article. I still think that that section should be removed. Either way, this article should cite its sources. Izehar 01:25, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps such a section would not accurately reflect the culture of those cities? There is little point in having a 'gay' section in the Sunderland article, for example, because, as far as I know, there is no openly gay culture. Newcastle, however, does, as with Manchester (which also has the relevant section).
 * It was nominated for FA status by a newbie with little comprehension of English, never mind wikipedia policy. The reasons it failed can be seen here.
 * I am sure that all of the facts in that section can be supported by trusted sources. Feel free to do a google search and add them, if you feel that the citing sources is a big issue. However, there are many sections in this article that do not cite sources. The JPS 11:02, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Just to add, I see absolutely no reason why this section should be removed. Grinner 15:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I have replaced this section and placed it in the more relevant pubs and clubs section. TTTV 23:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

love parade
The Radio 1 Love Parade was not going to be a "Gay Pride Festival", as is claimed. It was going to be a Dance Music Festival! Also, events were put on all over the city centre instead - not Whitley Bay (although there may have been some events there) Gp100mk 10:21, 20 January 2006''

The love parade was organised by Radio 1, and the event that took place in Whitley Bay was organised by Radio 1: the DJs from the Love Parade (Judge Jules and Sonique being two) performed right on the Links. Whatever took place in Newcastle was not an "official" replacement for the Love Parade as it did not involve the same production teams. -- Jon Dowland 15:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm wrong on that assumption: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/loveparade/ indicates that the BBC did do some stuff in newcastle, too. Oddly there's no mention of the WBay festivities on that page (that I can find). I'm still trying to verify the love love parade was a gay pride thing, I don't remember it being such myself, either. -- Jon Dowland 13:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Borough laws
In Scotland in the High Middle Ages there is an interesting reference to the borough laws of Newcastle as the model for burgh charters in Scotland. Nothing, however, about the origin of the borough laws, and I am seeing nothing in the Newcastle upon Tyne article. Laurel Bush 12:17, 28 January 2006 (UTC).

There's not much known about this in Newcastle, but I've been recommended to try Alan McInnis at Aberdeen University. I pass this on to you.

Bandalore 20:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Cheers. Laurel Bush 10:27, 7 February 2006 (UTC).

Edit
Seeing that this page was well over the 32kb Wikipedia recommends, I have edited it, replacing uneconomic writing and repetitions as well as merging other material. I've occasionally added some information too. It's now down to 31kb and I think it reads much more easily.

Bandalore 20:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking the time to do some major editing on the Newcastle upon Tyne article.


 * I'm not sure I agree with some of the information you have removed. I've reinstated some of the information (such as the information in Demographics), as these sort of items are essential for the article to be properly encyclopedic. If you want to bring the file size down, try moving the born in/residents of sections to their own articles. I've also reverted some of your organisation changes, for example "Climate" is not suitably placed under "Urban development".


 * As the 32Kb rule is no longer a hard-and-fast rule, in future please discuss any major edits that you are planning on the talk page before going for the chop. The preferred method now, is expanding the individual sections of an article to a point where they can sustain their own page, at which point the information can be moved to a new page, and the abridged version can be placed on the main page.


 * I've (re)moved a little of the extra information that you added, such as the information about Fenwicks window, which is more suited to the Fenwick article. I've done the same for the Judaism information that you removed, moving that to Judaism in Newcastle upon Tyne.


 * Johnwalton 17:51, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks John for the advice. Points taken. I don't propose to do any more editing on the page. On specific points, I thought the demographic info was stated or implied in the red box at the head of the article. Average age seems non-essential, especially as it hardly differs from the norm. Likewise subjective feelings about health are hardly encyclopaedic, especially seven years old.

I have found that connections of famous people with Newcastle are poorly known: the list is therefore to prompt further inquiry. I have eliminated several in any case.

Did you see the Newcastle programme by Gavin Stamp (of Private Eye) on C5 this evening? I feared a carping programme but it was (following Pevsner) praise all the way-and beautifully shot. It really lifted the heart. I must get a copy.

All the best

Bandalore 21:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Suggested Inclusion
The Newcastle hospitals should be mentioned? They score highly in the national statistics - especially the Freeman, which is the country's third transplant centre and has done some major pioneering work in recent years.

Bandalore 12:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The Freeman hospital used to be mentioned, along with the fact that its the third transplant centre, but that's disappeared somehow! Hadn't noticed that it'd gone. Maybe there should be a seperate "Health" section, I don't know. How are hospitals handled in the other City articles?


 * Johnwalton 18:53, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

The Manchester entry doesn't even mention the Christie, the largest cancer treatment centre in Europe. I've inserted a small Health section which includes what I know.

Bandalore 23:21, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Cities
I've added Newcastle upon Tyne to WikiProjectCities. The project recommends that city articles include the following:


 * Introduction
 * History
 * major historical events that occurred in city
 * Law and government
 * Mayor or City Executive-- current, previous executives
 * representative body?
 * Geography
 * Physical geography (area, unique features)
 * Major Parks
 * Economy
 * Major industries/products
 * taxes
 * Demographics
 * city population
 * racial/ethnic makeup
 * religious makeup
 * Sites of interest
 * Colleges and universities
 * Sports teams
 * Notable natives
 * (Miscellaneous topics and similar lists)
 * External links

The most noticable ommisions from the NuT article at the moment seem to be law/government, major parks and economy. The introduction also needs expanding to 3/4 paragraphs. Johnwalton 22:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Category: Wikipedians in Tyne and Wear
Thought I'd mention this - there's a category,, and so far I'm the only one in it. This can't be right (I live in Berlin as it is), so please add yourself to it if it applies to you. ProhibitOnions 23:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * For convenience, Category: Wikipedians in Tyne and Wear -- Jon Dowland 09:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Royal Grammar School removal reason
"The Newcastle Royal Grammar School is often claimed to be one of the foremost schools in the North of England." is the text I removed. I did ask ages ago on here is anyone could cite a source for this and nobody responded.

Looking at the school league tables and so on it is one of the foremost so the statement is true. However... every public school in the Newcastle area (Central, Church High, Dame Allen's Boys', Dame Allens' Girls and several others) all lie within a 5% spread of the RGS's results (based on 2002 figures). To name one would really mean having to name the others as they're so tight stats-wise.

As an aside, their figures were all between 50% to 55% capped average. Virtually every comprehensive scored around 30% to 35%. Guess it pays to have rich parents, and to run a school where you can hand-pick your students... *gets down off soapbox*

IainP (talk) 16:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

There are differences. Central is also "excellent" (results-wise) and would deserve a mention. Both are frequently listed among the nation's "best". Church and Dame Allen's perform a little less well on the same measures and are less frequently listed. Would be interested to see your analysis as at least on recent figures I don't believe the spread is so tight. No drum to bang BTW as alumnus of lesser left-footed institution!81.170.62.51 23:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Most northerly city
I would like to take issue with the article's claim that Newcastle is the most northerly English city. I'm not entirely sure, but isn't Carlisle more northerly? There probably isn't much in it either way. Speaking as someone from the far west of Gateshead I should know. Although at a guess I would say Newcastle is more notherly, but various tourist agencies for Carlisle appear to deny this (see www.historic-carlisle.org.uk/historiccarlisle/go.asp?5) for example. hedpeguyuk 09:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I have a good map of England, and Newcastle is further north than Carlisle. Newcastle is just above latitude 55 degrees North, Carlisle just below.

Bandalore 16.14 11 May 2006
 * I'd agree with that, although it is close. Carlisle Airport is 54.94 N, Newcastle Airport is 55.02 N, both airports are towards the north of their respective cities. jo hnwalton (talk) 21:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Newcastle is 5miles north of Carlisle

Name of city
Wasn't the city known as Monkchester between being known as Pons Aelius and Newcastle?81.170.62.51 23:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes --SandyDancer 10:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Photo suggestion
The article is nicely set out now. However, though the outstanding neo-classical late Georgian centre of Newcastle receives due mention, there is no photograph of it. Could we have one?

Bandalore 16.50 12 May  2006
 * There are some additional photos on the German Wikipedia. In particular, Bild:Newcastle greys monument.jpg. Perhaps you'd like to transfer one/some of those over to the English version. jo hnwalton (talk) 21:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Nyborg
I removed this: "The name New Castle is actually named after the danish city called Nyborg. "

According to Google Nyborg can be roughly translated as Newcastle, but don't think there is any other connection. AndrewMcQ 18:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Newcastle upon Tyne as County Town of Northumberland
Historically, the County Town of Northumberland is not Newcastle but Alnwick, although Morpeth has some claim as the administrative centre for Northumberland. In fact, prior to the creation of the metropolitan borough of Tyne and Wear, Newcastle was a City and County in its own right and never part of Northumberland. The Welcome sign on entering Newcastle from the west stated "Welcome to the City and County of Newcastle upon Tyne" - I know because I was born and grew up in the west of Newcastle and remember the sign.Sinylg 13:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Newcastle was never a "County of its own". --SandyDancer 22:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

So why did it say so on the sign? I'd be interested to knowSinylg 17:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

In light of the above comment I did some research and found that around 1300 Newcastle was allowed to appoint its own mayor and a century later became a county in its own right. This information is readily available on the web. Could the article be amended to reflect this?Sinylg 21:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Aready appears in article under "early development" - Newcastle was successfully defended against the Scots three times during the 14th century and around this time became a county corporate. --SandyDancer 21:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

According to Sydney Middlebrook's 'Newcastle upon Tyne: Its Growth and Achievement' (2nd ed 1968) Newcastle received a new charter of incorporation from Henry IV in 1400 that recognised it as 'a county of itself'. The castle and its 'liberties' remained a part of the county of Northumberland - this enclave remained until reorganisation in 1974 and is the reason why Northumberland County Hall (now the Vermont Hotel) was built at that particular location. (FatGravyBoat)

Into the 1980's when a person was charged with an offence in the city police station the charge read, 'That you did, in the City and County of Newcastle upon Tyne, contrary to...' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.77.145 (talk) 13:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

template
The article has been tagged as unreferenced, although I can only see one sentence marked as missing a citation in the article. Could those who feel the article lacks references please help to mark up the trouble areas more specifically? -- Jon Dowland 13:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Really, every section should contain inline citations, especially if there is a fact... We could put in the tags, but it would be peppered throughout the entire article.  The JPS talk to me  14:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Btw, take a look at Sheffield -- that's a featured article, and is the level we should be striving for. The JPS talk to me  12:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Tynemouth - village?
The article describes Tynemouth as a village. But it was an old town belonging to the Priory of Tynemouth, and was a county borough from 1894 to 1974 (albeit largely due to the presence of North Shields within its boundaries). Scarcely a village...

FGB —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FatGravyBoat (talk • contribs) 12:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC).

Bands
People are always trying to advertise their bands on this page. Do we seriously want bands who fail WP:BAND and WP:MUSIC to represent the city? The two I have removed exist (they have mySpace pages!!!). One cannot be found on Amazon, however, and Ghits are pretty poor. The JPS talk to me  18:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm amazed it took you so long to find Martin Stephenson and the Daintees – They have been around quite a while! As for El Bistro, whom I reinstated and you have removed again, I don't know them, but I found that if I Googled "El Bistro" the top four hits are the band, and there are two more hits on the first page, another 4 on the second. 10 out of 20 can't be bad, surely? SiGarb | Talk 21:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry, I admit that 'Martin Stephenson and the Daintees' was about my own musical ignorance. As for the other one, notability per WP:BAND requires things like multiple, non-trivial independent reviews, charted hit[s], etc. I saw that they came high in a search for "El Bistro", but I saw no evidence of notability (I feature pretty heavily in a Google search of my real name, but there's no way I'm notable under WP:BIO).  There's a little directory-style page on NME's site, but are they really notable enough to be included in an article about the history, development and culture of a city?  The JPS talk to me  00:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Population
The top info box has no figure for "Population," but simply says "(2005 estimate)" instead. Can someone update that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Softlavender (talk • contribs) 02:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

should be 189,863 according to the list of cities —Preceding unsigned comment added by NobbySolano (talk • contribs) 12:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Minor error?
In the section "Recent Developments" John Poulson is listed as a property developer, but his page says he was an architect, which I'm pretty sure is correct. Anyone agree?

Willopad 22:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Radio
Does Youth Voice FM still broadcast? I think it was something to do with the parent organisation of NE1 FM.

Also, I think a frequency for Tyne FM would be useful.

Radio Tyneside, the hospital station could also probably do with a mention.



No hyphens?
Why is this one of the only cities I have seen upon or under a river without the hyphens. Others such as Newcastle-under-Lyme, Stoke-upon-Trent, Stratford-upon-Avon, Berwick-upon-Tweed, etc. don't omit it. Reginmund 19:08, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well noticed - don't know the actual reason for this, but I make sure that I remove any hyphens found in the name, as you never see the name spelt with hyphens, officially or unofficially BNC85 07:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Post Office omits hyphens from all posttowns - e.g. NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE, HOUGHTON LE SPRING —  MapsMan  [  talk  |  cont  ] — 18:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, my 2007 Collins road atlas of Britain shows "Newcastle upon Tyne" (no hyphens) and "Stoke-on-Trent" (hyphens) —  MapsMan  [  talk  |  cont  ] — 01:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Economy
It would be nice to have a section about economy in the city and the surrounding area. When considering a city to move in, knowing what kind of industry is flourishing is important. Doub 23:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Arts & Design
Hi, I've added a lot of your recent links for Fairs and Festivals. However, I've noticed that under the Culture heading there should be a sub-section for the Arts! I'm very surprised it's missing. There are a quite a few art galleries or art studios, and design based organisations now based in Newcastle. That's an important growing culture category that Newcastle has developed over the last few years. M. Ho @14/10/2007 19:15. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.104.19 (talk) 18:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Remove the noise nonsense?
The whole para about the noise measurement should be removed. It adds nothing to the reader's knowledge and may even be confusing.

Bandalore (talk) 07:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems perfectly logical within a 'Health' section. It is also fully cited and balanced, with a sourced criticism of the report. The JPS talk to me  09:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Newcastle-on-Tyne
Whence the upon? I have always heard "Newcastle-on-Tyne". --Bejnar (talk) 15:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh? Bob talk 20:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * In fact there are loads of artefacts to be found that state being manufactured in Newcastle-on-Tyne, not upon, and for the period around the 1960-70s it seems both are being used. I could observe this myself in Newcastle's Discovery Museum and also am wondering 'whence the "upon"' now.. Anybody here able to clarify? --81.148.164.94 (talk) 18:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

5th most populous conurbation
To anyone considering changing "5th most populous conurbation in England" to "6th most": Please Look at the link first and you'll notice one of the entries above Newcastle is Glasgow. This gets mistakenly "corrected" about once a week! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lfh (talk • contribs)
 * Damn yanks! —  MapsMan  [  talk  |  cont  ] — 22:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hilarious.--Him and a dog 16:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 15:28, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Listening to the recording in the article's lead, I'm not sure it gives the correct pronunciation. The "upon-tyne" bit is OK but isn't Newcastle correctly pronounced "new-CASS-le" rather than "NEW-caahh-sul"? Certainly that's how people I know who are from there or who have lived there pronounce it. SP-KP (talk) 14:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

For some reason, I can't get the sound file to work, but if it's pronounced 'NEW-caar-sul' (with the "bath" vowel of ɑ instead of the trap vowel a) this is the RP pronunciation of Newcastle, but indeed not how people with a regional Geordie (or infact, any 'Northern' UK accent) would pronounce it. Like mentioned above by SP-KP, the primary intonation is placed on the CAS of Newcastle, with the 'new' being an anacrustic syllable (those who aren't familiar with phonetics, anacrustic means an unstressed syllable before the 'head' or main part of an intonation group) Can this voice recording be changed at all, or is it Wiki policy to have an RP version of UK place names? BNC85 (talk) 10:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I provided the RP sound file. I started a sort of mini-project to add sound recordings to UK place name articles — see here and here — and at this stage, as it is only me involved in providing recordings, unfortunately they are all in RP; I would not like to mislead listeners by attempting to pronounce a name in a non-RP local accent!  The project page, which is linked from my edit summary for the edit where I added the file, does mention this issue: my comment there is "Issues to consider include regional accents: some place names sound different when spoken by a local resident rather than with Received Pronunciation (Edinburgh is a good example). Ideally, where relevant (including, but not limited to, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish, West Country, West Midlands and Northeast England places), both an RP and a "local" pronunciation would be provided. This is where assistance would be particularly appreciated."  Please be assured that there is no WP policy to impose RP pronunciation, or that there is any intention to mislead.  Unfortunately, until a user contributes a sound file reflecting the local accent, we're all a bit stuck.  As I say, I had misgivings about this aspect of providing sound recordings, but having asked around the general consensus seemed to be that having "a" sound file is better than having none, provided that the accent is clearly labelled.  Perhaps it would be helpful if I change the wording in the article to advise that the accent is RP?  Hassocks5489 (talk) 13:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I'm sceptical that NEW-caar-sul is RP though, rather than just mispronunciation - one doesn't have to have a geordie accent to pronounce it new-CASS-le - and surely Novocastrians would know how to pronounce the name of their home city? Do we have a source that states that NEW-caar-sul is RP? I agree that the wording of the article should explain things, yes. SP-KP (talk) 17:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * From : "When I was acting for the OUP as adviser to the BBC on the production of the first edition of that dictionary, I found that its editor was proposing to recommend to BBC national newsreaders and announcers the pronunciation of Newcastle-on-Tyne with main stress on its second syllable. I urged that, though the majority educated version in that locality was no doubt so, there was a firmly established national preference throughout the rest of Britain for stressing the first syllable. She accepted my point and the dictionary was published with the local preference in second place." It's not exactly a brilliant source by Wikipedia citation standards, but this chap seems to have been a pronunciation adviser for a BBC dictionary.  This Spectator article from Theodore Dalrymple makes a reference in the fourth paragraph, albeit rather crudely.  WP:OR section: admittedly I have heard (although only rarely) people with RP or close-to-RP accents using the "new-CASS-le" pronunciation: one who springs to mind is Nick Quraishi, a radio newsreader on the Independent Radio News service.  Most people I know (with RP accents) do stress the first syllable and use the long "a", though.  Hassocks5489 (talk) 18:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Just going from own experiences, having moved away from Newcastle for University, I found that everyone south of the 'North-South' isogloss (a linguistic isogloss, I hasten to add) pronounced NEW-car-sul. However, people from the 'North' (but outside Tyne & Wear) pronounced it 'NEW-cass-sul'. I however, pronounce it slightly differently with the emphasis being on the 'CASS' and there being a fast, slight nasal sound before the CASS, sounding like 'nja-CASS-ul'.
 * It does seem that national BBC / ITV news bulletins refer to Newcastle as NEW-car-sul with the 'BATH'* vowel (ɑ) with primary intonation on the first syllable. Local news (for example BBC Look North / Tyne Tees TV) seem to use the 'TRAP' vowel (a) but still with primary intonation with the first syllable. The emphasis on the second syllable (with the 'TRAP' vowel only) seems to be found in basilectal speech and probably wouldn't be deemed appropriate for television broadcast.


 * 'BATH' and 'TRAP' are names given to vowel qualities, in Wells, J (1982) Accents of the British Isles. BNC85 (talk) 11:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Glad to see the discussion on this. I'm from Newcastle, and personally think we should prioritise the local pronunciation - which is definitely new-CASS-le. I imagine most Geordie's would forgive others for getting the stress wrong, but would probably see a 'New-car-sle' pronunciation as simply incorrect. 109.151.7.118 (talk) 18:21, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

2.26.176.200 (talk) 19:56, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Being a Geordie, I find it hilarious that the vowel qualities are pronounced the same in Geordie, Mackem, etc. The a in "Bath" is pronounced the same as the "a" in "trap".

And by the way, it's new-CASS-le.2.26.176.200 (talk) 19:56, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:EH icon.png
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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox??
The infobox used implies that it isnt a borough in itself it needs either the borough one (eg. the one in Hastings or Oxford) or it needs the other one (like Manchester)Blackwave...... (talk) 12:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone keeps making damaging alterations to the Health section. According to the Dr Foster ratings Newcastle hospitals have among the lowest mortality rates (and so have North Tyneside's). To alter this to 'highest' is plain wrong - and makes nonsense of the rest of that sentence.

Newcastle isn't fourth among crime cities (supply ref please!) Northumbria Police region has a rate well under half that of London.

Newcastle also has the least background air pollution of any UK city. When I insert that, someone removes it. What's going on?

Bandalore (talk) 01:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Lack of sources, mainly, which makes it difficult to work out which edits are vandalism. Please assist. -  Dudesleeper  Talk  12:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Coat of arms
Could someone upload an image of the coat of arms of this city to Commons? Thanks. --Pabletex (talk) 18:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation file
Following discussion above (see section 41) and at User:SP-KP's talk page, I have uploaded a new pronunciation file for Newcastle-upon-Tyne, to replace the existing RP version with the stress on the first syllable and the long "A". The short "A" and the second-syllable stress don't come naturally to me as a Southerner, so I hope it doesn't sound too bad or unnatural! I'm a bit worried about the "-Tyne"... <font face="Helvetica"><font color="#00BFFF">Hassocks <font color="#228B22">5489 (tickets please!) 20:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Northern Sinfonia
Shouldn't there be a mention of this internationally famous orchestra? I know they're based in the Sage now but they were in Jesmond from 1958 until recently. Bandalore (talk) 03:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I would have thought that the Northern Sinfonia article would be the best place to add it. It may be relevant to add a short note about the history to the Jesmond article.  But I don't think this article is the place to list every organisation that used to be based in the city boundaries.  DrFrench (talk) 20:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

There's no question of listing every organisation that used to be in the city, but that the only permanent chamber archestra in the UK - and an orchestra of international repute at that - was founded in the city deserves a brief mention surely. It's only moved a mile or two anyway, and the Sage is often placed under the Newcastle-Gateshead' cultural umbrella.

Bandalore (talk) 13:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Citations pulled down on the 6th July 2008
Described as England's best looking city by radio one DJ, critic and journalist Stuart Maconie : The city has an extensive neoclassical centre, largely developed in the 1830s by Richard Grainger and John Dobson, and recently extensively restored. Grey Street, which curves down from Grey's Monument towards the valley of the River Tyne, was voted as England's finest street in 2005 in a survey of BBC Radio 4 listeners. A portion of Grainger Town was demolished in the 1960s to make way for the Eldon Square Shopping Centre, including all but one side of the original Eldon Square itself.


 * Now I do not see nothing wrong with it, it is encyclopedic, it add knowledge to a reader, it gives a reference point for a reader. And shows just the esteem the cities architecture is admired by some.


 * It is also not standing on its own out of place, it is joined by a further explanation of the architecture, where we see another reference it reinforces, this reference also describing how it was voted to have the best city.


 * Now the only reason I can see for someone to pull it down is if they do not want the cities architecture to be referenced as a highlighted point of knowledge interest to readers for some reason. Hence they are suppressing. Hence someone having a bit of stay in the box, ‘Pies and prejudice’ with regards to a Northern town. Someone who thinks they own Wikipedia. Someone who thinks they can pick and choose citations. Someone who only likes their own point of view.


 * I have put it back up, and I have left a note here for future readers to see this ownership and reverting.


 * In writing this he has just reverted, thus I have no doubt he is watching this article like a hawk for some reason


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Newcastle_upon_Tyne&diff=223942439&oldid=223940316


 * were in an edit he conveying ownership called me disruptive.


 * --82.39.195.21 (talk) 17:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've had a look at both the version added by the anon IP (above) and the previous version;
 * The city has an extensive neoclassical centre, largely developed in the 1830s by Richard Grainger and John Dobson, and recently extensively restored. Grey Street, which curves down from Grey's Monument towards the valley of the River Tyne, was voted as England's finest street in 2005 in a survey of BBC Radio 4 listeners. A portion of Grainger Town was demolished in the 1960s to make way for the Eldon Square Shopping Centre, including all but one side of the original Eldon Square itself.
 * I propose a compromise to put the comment into a better context;
 * The city has an extensive neoclassical centre, largely developed in the 1830s by Richard Grainger and John Dobson, and recently extensively restored. Broadcaster and writer Stuart Maconie describes Newcastle as England's best-looking city and Grey Street, which curves down from Grey's Monument towards the valley of the River Tyne, was voted as England's finest street in 2005 in a survey of BBC Radio 4 listeners. A portion of Grainger Town was demolished in the 1960s to make way for the Eldon Square Shopping Centre, including all but one side of the original Eldon Square itself.
 * I agree with Dbam in that the opinion of a mere DJ is not-notable. But describing Maconie as a Radio 1 DJ is inaccurate - I don't think he's even worked on Radio 1 for at about a decade anyway. As well as seemingly being on every 'top 100 list' TV programme, Maconie has carved himself a bit of a niche as an authority on all things 'northern' - and he regularly appears on TV and radio discussion programmes (both lowbrow and highbrow) in that role.  His book Pies and Prejudice (despite its flaws) is an almost Bill Bryson-esque tour of the north and he wrote and presented a TV programme (TV Towns) about film and TV locations in and around Newcastle.  As an identifianble 'northerner', but one who is clearly not from the north east (and hence less obviously biased), I think he is notable enough to have his comment included in this article.
 * To the anon IP, if you'd brought this to the talk page earlier we could have discussed it without personal comments and reached a consensus sonner. DrFrench (talk) 18:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not that I think Maconie himself is not notable, it's the quote itself I'm concerned about. If he'd written an entire article about how great Newcastle's architecture is, then fair enough, that might be worth a mention.  But really, what we have is a passing comment tagged onto the end of a sentence, in the middle of an article which also briefly mentions the merits of several other cities.  To me, it would be more appropriate to reference Maconie's article in the Northern England wiki article, since that is really what he is talking about.  Dbam  Talk/Contributions 18:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm the IP, I don't yet know if my IP has changed yet though. I go with Dr French's restructuring. The citation fits in and reinforces the article, it is not a stand out alone claim making no sense. It adds to the whole and neatly reinforces other citations. It also gives a research point to people who might need it, like say a trainee architect, or historian etc. who may come across it at a future date. They will see a book to research that will go into a detail.

Dbam, you first said it was opinion so I accomodated and explained in a sentence he was a critic so it would be exact and encyclopedic to remove as much ambiguity as possible.

You are now against the citation for other reasons. To me, respectfully, it seems like you may be nit picking and moving the goal posts.

Anyway he has written about the architecture in his book pies and prejudice and this newspaper citation 'with the quote' backs up the book citation as a kind of synopsis.

I believe you are selectively nit picking the article and refusing to see the second citation: the book citation that the article citation backs up.

You have looked at one citation and ignored the other.

When you look at the article as a synopsis, can you not see that he has discussed Newcastle in his book? As why mention it in the article if it is not in his book pies and prejudice?

And we can say in probability he has went into much more detail than a 'newspaper article,' or at the very least the equivilent detail as a newspaper article in the books 368 pages?

--82.39.195.21 (talk) 18:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't ignore the second citation, I simply missed it. If you'd used your edit summary to say you were adding it, instead of arguing (which is what the talk page is for), then maybe i'd have seen it, and not just assumed you were simply reverting.  Better still, you could have added the book citation in the first place, which is surely far more important than the article citation.  Initially, all I had to go on was the article citation, in which he describes Newcastle as England's best-looking city, but provides no reasoning as to why—it appeared to me to be a simple observation.  But if it's discussed in his book then, yeah, I'm quite happy with Dr French's suggestion.  Dbam  Talk/Contributions 19:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Notable Residents
This section now seems to list only a few names. The long main list of Newcastle notables has disappeared without a link. What's going on?

Bandalore (talk) 14:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * MSGJ (talk) 14:31, 30 July
 * MSGJ (talk) 14:31, 30 July

2008 (UTC)

Thanks MSGJ but surely a link would be useful and convenient. I put a link in and it's been removed again. What's going on? Am I missing something?

Bandalore (talk) 15:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Images
I have removed a number of images from this article which were views across the Tyne to Gateshead. If the article needs as many images there are a number of Newcastle that could be included SJP would be an obvious choice. Jim Sweeney (talk) 08:57, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Infobox and layout
Hi folks, take a look at Manchester and WP:UKCITIES for some ideas on how to take this article further. :) --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | <font style="color:#000000;background:#D3D3D3;"> Talk 15:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actioned the infobox myself today. :) --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | <font style="color:#000000;background:#D3D3D3;"> Talk 16:41, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Image Updates?
Hello, I was wondering if the Haymarket Bus Station image should be updated soon, due to the fact they have built the new Metro station, just a thought for the future.SuperDan89 (talk) 07:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Removal of content
You reverted my edit without giving any reason(s). I gave abbreviated reasons in my comment. It's as much for you to give reasons for reverting as for me to give reasons for my edit.

The course of the "Roman Wall" can also be traced eastwards to the Segedunum Roman fort in Wallsend - the wall's end and to the supply fort Arbeia in South Shields. The extent of Hadrian's Wall was 73 miles (117 km), spanning the width of Britain; the wall incorporated Agricola's Ditch[9] and was constructed primarily to prevent unwanted immigration and incursion of Pictish tribes from the north, not as a fighting line for a major invasion.[

South Shields is SOUTH of the Tyne, and has no direct connection with Hadrian's Wall. Hadrian's Wall didn't incorporate anything called Agricola's Ditch - 19th.C antiquarians thought that. The Wall had nothing whatever to do with Pictish tribes - another 19th C error. The Picts inhabited the NW of Scotland. One of the references was to an external webpage that makes similar erroneous assertions, despite itself quoting reliable references, and ignoring all of them.The second reference that was removed along with that above was to a book I happen own, and it makes clear all the points I have made. One might question the original editor's motives for his edit. I shall await your reply and redo the edit, giving my reasons on the articles talk page. Any reversion will have to challenge those reasons and provide adequate reasons for doing so. Rambler24 (talk) 16:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not an expert on the wall, but I was concerned when I saw sourced content being removed with little justification. I am aware that Arbeia is south of the Tyne and although it is not on the wall itself, it is part of the infrastructure which supported the wall and so probably deserves mention. The length of the wall is possible relevant and worthy of inclusion. Again, I know nothing of the Agricola's Ditch nor Pictish tribes and will accept your word if you say these are false. Best wishes, &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The fact that something appears to be sourced doesn't make it immune to editing or removal. In fact the book reference is to one that I have, and it certainly doesn't back up anything the original editor inserted apart from the length of the Wall. The text states "can also be traced eastwards to the Segedunum Roman fort in Wallsend - the wall's end and to the supply fort Arbeia in South Shields". The edit had added the last part - it most certainly cannot be traced beyond the Tyne at Wallsend. Wallsend - it's the end of the Wall. The reference to South Shields is therefore both erroneous and irrelevant. - the article is about Newcastle upon Tyne, and not Hadrian's Wall, nor South Shields. The former rightly deserves a mention, the latter does not. The original edit was one of a series of similar, almost identical (and irrelevant) insertions made apparently to include a reference to a badly-written web-page, in a number of articles covering places in Cumbria and Northumberland. If your concern was simply about the "length of the wall" sentence being removed you could easily have re-inserted that, or left a comment on my talk page. I thought it superfluous, as a wiki-link to Hadrian's Wall already existed in the text. Rambler24 (talk) 19:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Changes to Economy section
A couple of days ago User:WhisperToMe made an edit which I promply reverted and used as the basis for another change:  &. He questioned this on my talk page and I think we've reached an impasse so I'm asking here: what do other editors think should be added, if anything? Or should we create Economy of Newcastle upon Tyne? JohnBlackburne (talk) 18:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Recent edits
I'm reverting all the recent edits by anon IPs and inviting the editor or editors who made them to discuss them here. They seem to be a mix of non-encyclopaedic rewording of perfectly good text, highlighting some very non-notable retailers, and pointless picture changes. Do we really need another two anonymous street scenes (none of which are bustling) ? --JohnBlackburne (talk) 00:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Repeated insertion of corporate marketing by anon IPs
Please stop trying to insert this. It's a year old marketing move by one of any number of companies based here. It has had no effect as it was never meant to: it's just an excuse for the company to publicise it's route. The news item reads like a press release, which was probably the source for the local newspaper item. Really it has no place here.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 19:58, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello JohnBlackburne, The corporate company has been removed.

If you look, the last inserted premise, has had the plugging removed (i.e. the companies name), therefor it had no plugging of a coporate company. It is now solely a premise that states, to pharaphrase, "in 2009 Newcastle had a bid to twin with Alicante in Spain, this bid was backed by three celebrities." It then has a cite.

BTW I'm sure the original premise never mentioned the company too, someone must have put it in.

Anyway all that is there now is a vanilla premise and a cite.

Edit. It turns out that the original premise had no mention of the coporate company

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Newcastle_upon_Tyne&oldid=278221263

Therfor someone must of put the corporate name in as time went by.

IMO there is absolutely nothing wrong with the premise as it is now.

--82.39.75.61 (talk) 11:02, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That section is a list of twin towns, not attempts to establish town twinning, of which there are who knows how many active at once so not worth listing. Especially as this one seems to have got no-where: there's been no news since it was announced a year ago so it's failed or been abandoned.


 * Not that it was necessarily meant to get anywhere. For three cheap appearance fees and work by their press dept they get some free publicity, though I think not as much as they hoped as it was not picked up by any national papers, only one local one. And it's not listed here either. There is this though: Malaga and Liverpool, fronted by another Big Brother housemate, run by a PR company who probably dreamed up the previous 'campaign'.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 12:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

'Newcastle upon Tyne' or 'Newcastle-upon-Tyne'?
A geeky question... is the spelling unhyphenated 'Newcastle upon Tyne' or hyphenated 'Newcastle-upon-Tyne'? Is either acceptable? Is one preferred over the other? Is there a strong "official" (whatever that might mean) preference for one? My understanding is that 'Newcastle upon Tyne' is preferred.

If a preference, or even official recommendation, is strong enough, might it be worth going through articles that use the non-preferred spelling (often through wikilinks, so "What links here" is our friend) and adjusting them?

Feline Hymnic (talk) 09:58, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * My instinct is no hyphens; I've no strong reasons for this but I've found a reference: . But it's not like e.g. Chester-le-Street which definitely needs hyphens: both 'Newcastle upon Tyne' and 'Newcastle-upon-Tyne' look OK to me, i.e. if I saw the hyphenated version in an article I'd not automatically want to correct it.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 10:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * No hyphens!! :) As a resident of the city, there are no official signs, literature etc showing the hyphenated version and the only version is the 'un-hyphenated' one. The hyphenated version is used, dare I say wholly incorrectly. (NB: Some historical photographs may show 'Newcastle-on-Tyne' however this is not the case in modern times) As mentioned in the original post, many of my contributions to date on Wikipedia are removing the hyphens from the city's name. I see the (no) hyphens in Newcastle upon Tyne as a contrast to the hyphenated Newcastle-under-Lyme. The official council website and numerous addresses read without the hyphens etc. BNC85 (talk) 19:42, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No hyphens of course. In contrast to Newcastle-under-Lyme ! <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 20:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Got a reference for no hyphens http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/about-us/style-book/1435302/Telegraph-style-book-places-and-peoples.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gomez2002 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Twinning with Dubai
I don't know about anyone else but I believe this is vandalism. I cannot find any source that verifies this. For example, Newcastle City Council does not list it here: http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/core.nsf/a/towntwinning And nor does Dubai's own page mention a twinning with Newcastle. Surely this should be rectified? 86.135.232.174 (talk) 13:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing that out, I've removed the unsourced entries from the table. Nev1 (talk) 14:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Coat of Arms
I have reverted the arms displayed on the page to those used by the city council (see http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/core.nsf/a/lmcoatofarms?opendocument). They were replaced by a user-made version, which while they followed the grant of arms are not the version of the arms actually used by the council and so surely aren't an accurate representation for use in this article. I concluded this from the fact that non-free use rationales contain the following as to replaceability "Any substitute that is not a derivative work would fail to convey the meaning intended, would tarnish or misrepresent its image, or would fail its purpose of identification or commentary." Jonny1047 (talk) 12:26, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Main Image
Hello, why has the Tyne Bridge image been changed? the new one looks terrible. SuperDan89 (talk) 17:11, 03 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. In general I don't think an image like that works for Newcastle as it doesn't have a recognisable skyline or tall landmarks, like say London. And it's a pretty poor example of such an image: too dark, taken at the wrong time of day or year. So I've put the old one back. It's still not ideal as it shows as much of Gateshead as Newcastle but I can't think of a better image to use.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 17:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I support the reversion to using the image of the Tyne Bridge; as JohnBlackburne said, the other one was just too dark and not as distinctive as the current photo. Nev1 (talk) 17:35, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

sport
Newcastle vipers & Newcastle eagles no longer play at the Metro arena due to financial difficulties and scheduling problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.155.154 (talk) 11:58, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Newcastle-on-Tyne
I don't see Newcastle-on-Tyne in the article yet a lot of articles refer to it by this name. Was it perhaps a historic name of the city? Or maybe some common typo? Regards, SunCreator (talk) 07:24, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Asked at Talk:History of Newcastle upon Tyne Regards, SunCreator (talk) 15:06, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Olympics sport section took down
John Blackbourne

Sorry but I disagree that it is trivia. The Olympics is a notable sporting event, and part of the event was held in Newcastle.

1. In 1927 the Tyne Bridge was opened. significant and notable event and fact.

2. In 2012 the olympic games, a "significant and notable" event, was partly staged in Newcastle, with the stadium St. James park hosting 9 matches. a significant and notable fact.

To me all the above are significant and notable and in the context of Newcastle the article.

So where is the "insignificant" "did you know" e.g. the "did you know" you can buy "this type of ice lollys at Freds the corner shop?", or the did you know there is a bump in the road on Westgate road that hasn't been fixed by the council?

I cant see any trivia at all with regards to the Olympics being staged in Newcastle. All I see is a notable sporting event that was partly staged in Newcastle.

Can you define why it is trivia if you want to take down the information? Jarra78 (talk) 23:38, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It's but one of many international sporting events that have had matches played in Newcastle: Euro 96, World Cup qualifying, home countries' matches. Then there's the 2015 Rugby World Cup, some of which will take place in Newcastle. And these are just the sporting events at one venue, St James' Park (where I just found this information), not the non-sporting events or those at other venues. You can argue that the Olympics is the most significant event, but in footballing terms it's the least significant as national teams don't play.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 02:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

There is nothing trivial (e.g. it is not the equivalent to writing a sentence about some pot holes on a certain road, or a fish n chip shop selling the best chips etc) about staging the olympics, and the event is notable as you have noted. Also those other events you have mentioned are notable and as such someone could adjust the page citing those events, if they wish. Like has happened in other topics on other places. Also these pages below have precedent. Can you tell me why other host cities like Manchester and London have a few lines about staging the Olympics and other events, but you dont want Newcastle to have a few lines mentioning being a host city in a notable event?

-The Ricoh Arena is set to be a regional host for the 2012 Summer Olympics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry#Football_stadia

-London has hosted the Summer Olympics three times, in 1908, 1948, and the 2012 Games are in progress.[229][230] London was chosen in July 2005 to host the 2012 Olympics and Paralympics, making it the first city to host the modern Games three times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London#Sports

-Various sporting arenas around the city will be used as training facilities by athletes preparing for the 2012 Olympics in London & It is the only club football ground in England to have hosted the UEFA Champions League Final, in… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester#Sport

What is out of context or trivial, about these sentences in the quoted paragraph? “The London 2012 Olympic committee selected Newcastle as one of the UK host venue cities.[140][141] And St James' Park Newcastle, along with... ect. was chosen as one of the stages for the men’s and women's football.[142] With the venue St James’ Park hosting 9 matches in both the men’s and women's football.” To me it still looks like you have removed from a POV. I still dont go with your reasoning on removing the information, however I respect your input, do you have any more reasoning? Jarra78 (talk) 17:51, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * My reasoning is given above, and I don't really have anything to add, except to note that what's in other articles doesn't determine what's included here, especially as I suspect there are many cities hosting events (or that hosted events in past Olympics) that don't mention the fact - including one of the examples you give, Manchester. London is of course the host city.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 18:33, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

BTW Manchester does mention the Olympics (it also mentions it has hosted many other notable events) I put in a quote above, as does Cardiff, Coventry and London etc. You reason that some articles, you have observed, dont mention they have hosted the event, maybe so. However that/those article(s), you observe that has not mentioned hosting the event, is open to be amended to cite the fact it hosted a notable event at a later date. And just because the article has not yet, or ever, done so, does not mean that contributers have decided it must not be mentioned. And it does not say they are categorising a notable event as trivial.

I don't know what to do here, but I think this information should be put in the article as there is nothing trivial about it, it is a notable event, and it is cited. So are you going to revert any edit I do here? Do we need some third opinion?Jarra78 (talk) 19:04, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * A third opinion would be welcome, yes.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 19:13, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Third opinion
Hi. I'll take this third opinion. Please be patient while I take a look at the edit history, and I'll get back to you. Formerip (talk) 21:31, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The information that Newcastle played host to football matches as part of the 2012 Olympics is not so important that it demands inclusion in the article. On the other hand, it is not so trivial that including it would be absurd. In such a scenario, if editors are split, I would suggest including it, on the basis that this does no harm.
 * However, because it is not highly important information, any mention should be as brief as possible. The additional information about Newcastle being selected, what other cities were selected etc is too much. Anything longer than "Nine football matches were played at St James' Park as part of the 2012 Summer Olympics" would breach WP:UNDUE, IMO. I'll leave aside the issue of whether there is such a stadium as St James' Park.
 * It would be perfectly valid, and probably better for the article, to consider instead making a short list of the most significant sports tournaments to which Newcastle has played host ("Newcastle has played host to sports fixtures as part of international tournaments such as Euro 96, the 2012 Summer Olympics...").
 * If either of you is unhappy about this third opinion, please note that it is not binding. To achieve a consensus among editors as to whether the information should be included or excluded, you might consider formulating a WP:RFC. Formerip (talk) 22:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * FormerIP's comments look sensible to me (I haven't been involved in this dispute). The JPS <sup style="color:purple;">talk to me  23:06, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd also go with it.Jarra78 (talk) 13:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Bombing raids during WWII
I'm surprised there is no mention in the article of the German bombing raids that took place in the Newcastle area in 1941. I had to look elsewhere to confirm that raids did take place and that there were casualties. Perhaps someone with knowledge of the subject can add a summary? Spartel6 (talk) 02:27, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Climate
At the climate tables, is it suggested that night-tme temperature gets lower in less urban areas. This is wrong. Asphals is black and doestn't reflect heat. Hence city centres gets hotter the hours around local noon (if the sun is shining and it isn't blowing) during the period of the year when the sun reaches atleast 30 degrees. F.i. in December the sun doesn't reach higher than around 13 degrees in Newcastle. Suggest removal of the explination of the temperature differencies. Different altitude (even 20 metres makes a difference at annual basis) and distance from the sea, are far more likely explinations. 83.249.170.57 (talk) 19:53, 19 July 2013 (UTC) Auto login for 30 days doesn't work, if editing other Wikipedias. I belived that I was logged in. Sorry Boeing720 (talk) 19:57, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

=What temp is it now? Daytime and night? 94.8.199.249 (talk) 22:31, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Collage
Magioladitis, the current collage shows a picture of the front of the Metro Radio Arena, a Metro sign (what?), and Gateshead Quayside, not even part of Newcastle. It's also too big (three rows of images is enough). The collage I added shows a clearer picture of Newcastle Quayside, two iconic bridges, and the cities skyline, and a picture of the castle, a significant attraction within the city which it is named after. It is also dynamic, so each picture can be changed individual, or clicked on for more information about the picture and a larger view. And your reason for reverting is because the previous one has been there for a 'long time'? What? Rob (talk &#124; contribs) 16:35, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Newcastle University
In the section Education-Tiertiary we read 'Newcastle University is now one of the UK's leading international universities.' What is an international university when it's at home. 86.132.221.89 (talk) 16:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

words
Hoy has its English equivalent in hoik, to clear the throat & spit. As for the pronunciation of Newcastle,folk from Melbourne insist upon the short vowel, much to the annoyance of people in New South Wales { Newcastle} & Queensland {Castlemaine}101.171.170.161 (talk) 02:22, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

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There seems to be a new (kinda) radiostation there - which is not in the section (nor in the List): Tyne FM*. The information is not too much, but there is an official Facebook page where it says it existed since 2001... 95.73.174.178 (talk), Josh —Preceding undated comment added 14:47, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Newcastle upon Tyne CFD on Commons
Please see commons:Commons:Categories for discussion/2015/10/Category:Newcastle upon Tyne, which asks what content the Commons category for Newcastle upon Tyne should contain - should it be the metropolitan borough, or something else? If something else, what exactly?

Participation there would be appreciated, as Commons CFDs rarely get enough interest to generate consensus.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:27, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Coordinate error
The following coordinate fixes are needed for

—87.115.127.197 (talk) 19:12, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

This is Gateshead!!! Not Newcastle!!

Newcastle Upon Tyne

is located at

N 54°58'25.8024, W 1°36'47.444

Please edit.
 * ✅. OK, I've moved the coordinates across the Tyne. Better now? Deor (talk) 22:50, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

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Governance
The article could probably use a "Governance" section, similar to that found for other articles on cities in the UK, to identify the relevant local authorities, what their responsibilities are, and reviewing how these may have developed over various government re-organisations. Such sections usually also list the constituencies covering the city, and current local MPs. Jheald (talk) 15:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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Map co-ordinates
In the map of Newcastle showing its location in the UK, the pinpoint for the city appears to be in the Metropolitan Borough of Gateshead. I don't know how to amend this so would someone who does be able to do so please? Samuel J Walker (talk) 14:23, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * There was an error in Module:Location map/data/North East England which I have now fixed. -- <b style="color:#FFF8C0;background:#494"> Dr Greg </b> talk 15:18, 25 March 2018 (UTC)