Talk:Nikephoros Phokas Barytrachelos

Carvezi?
Are you sure this word is Georgian? I cannot think of any Georgian word with name like "Carvezi". Jaqeli 23:52, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi! According to the PmbZ, yes. He is named thus in The Georgian Chronicles. Perhaps it is derived from the Armenian? Constantine  ✍  07:03, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you write down it's original name in Georgian letters? Jaqeli 09:59, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately no. It is included only transliterated. Constantine  ✍  12:29, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts about "Carvezi" thing? Jaqeli 13:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi there. Carvezi="Ts'arvezi K'sipe, son of P'oka the renegade" (წარვეზი ქსიფე, ძე ფოკას განდგომილისა) is mentioned in the 11th-century Chronicle of Kartli (მატიანე ქართლისა), part of the medieval compendium of Georgian annals. To the best of my knowledge, it is a corruption of Crvez, a direct translation of Nikephorus's moniker into Armenian. I'll soon consult some sources available to me at this moment. --KoberTalk 14:02, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

As it appears, წარვეზი is indeed a corruption of the Armenian Crvez. As Stephen Rapp surmises, the Georgian chronicler had consulted Armenian sources, probably Aristakes Lastivertsi or Matthew of Edessa on this particular event. See S. H. Rapp (1997), Imagining history at the crossroads..., pp. 554–555. I also consulted a dictionary of Old Georgian, but found no such word. It seems that the Georgian historian directly copied the Armenian name in his chronicle.--KoberTalk 14:13, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Jaqeli 14:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. --KoberTalk 14:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * My thanks as well Kober.Constantine  ✍  14:56, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. :) --KoberTalk 15:01, 24 July 2015 (UTC)