Talk:Nina Demme

Photographs to be worked out

 * (Ear flap hat) Photos:version1 or version 2 or version 3 appear to be source of this masthead BUT WAIT, all appear to be a cropped version of this?
 * Obviously these photos were published abroad and then published in variations in the US within 30 days. Spark published 36 volumes in 1932, thus volume #29 was published in October, making all US variations fall within 30 days. According to this the photographs follow the US rules for photos published between 1925 and 1977. I have looked at hundreds of publications of the photographs and none give an author. There is a handwritten statement on version 3 "International Newsreel", but that appears to be the only marking. Checking Periodicals copyright for 1932 I get no results for "Demme", "Arctic", "polar", "Riabtzova", and "Petrovna". Checking Works of Art for 1932 I get no hits for "Demme", "Riabtzova", or "Petrovna", but there are hits for both Arctic and polar, none of which relate to Demme. Checking copyright.gov, I get no results for "Nina Demme", "Nina Petrovna" or "Nina Riabtzova" as a title, name, or keyword. Though Riabtzova is the spelling that appeared in English newspapers, I also checked "Ryabtseva" and "Ryabtsova" and found no results as a title, name, or keyword. I think this falls under PD-Russia-1996 as it is anonymous, was published before January 1, 1943, and "the name of the author did not become known during 50 years after publication". In the US, it would be no notice.


 * (Smiling hair bun) Photo: There is also this, masthead shows the whole newspaper is copyrighted, but the image appears to have been cropped from this, which says first photos wired and distributed by Newspaper Enterprise Association (Clearer image of the same grouping published in Canada.) SusunW (talk) 17:01, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delving further, these appear to have been taken by ACME Newspictures, which makes sense since NEA was their distributor. These appear to be separate shots that were cobbled together and distributed, as can be seen here and here Checking Periodicals copyright for 1931 I get no results for "Demme", "Arctic", "polar", "Riabtzova", "Petrovna", "Franz Joseph Land", "Acme", "NEA", or "Newspaper Enterprise Association". Checking Works of Art for 1931 for each of those, I get no result either. Based on the previous search of copyright.gov there were no renewals for anything having to do with Demme, I searched for "Franz Joseph Land" as a title, name, or keyword and got no result. As the author is ACME Newspictures, I also searched for that as the "claimant" and get no results. Thus, I think these are PD-US-no notice. I personally like the grouping rather than the individual image.


 * (Side glance) Photo: This (which IMO is the better photograph) does not indicate who took it, but it appears to be the same as this AP Photo. Checking Works of Art for 1932 for Associated Press, there are 2 hits (and an index notification). Neither of them have anything to do with Demme. As stated above copyright.gov search shows no hits for Demme. As far as I can tell, the first publication of this photo was on 9 September 1932 in the Minneapolis Tribune. I see nothing that indicates the photograph or the newspaper was copyrighted. Masthead/Publication Info does not indicate any copyright, thus it would seem to fall into PD-US-no notice.
 * (Half length with dog) Photo: This does not appear to have been published in the US. I have searched hundreds of photographs on newspapers.com and newspaperarchives.com and find no proof of publishing. It would appear that the first publication was in Russia in November 1930, and the photograph itself is not credited to anyone. If however Leonid Muhanov who published the piece took the photograph (and he did participate in the 1930 trip), I am not sure, as his dates are (according to the link) 1906-1976.
 * You are better at this than me. Can you tell me if my analysis is right and we can use the first 3? I am not sure about the 4th one, at all. SusunW (talk) 16:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it would also be helpful to have a map, i.e. this appears to show both Franz Joseph Land (though it needs to be marked) and Severnaya Zemlya. Looking at Google maps, it would seem that the clump of islands at the very top of the map on commons are Franz Joseph Land. If you concur, I can have the Graphics lab add that identification. SusunW (talk) 16:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Wow, I give up any and all claims of superiority in being a photo researcher, you did great work. Let me name the photos above, (Ear flap hat)(Smiling hair bun)(Side glance)(Half length with dog). I agree, the first three can be used per your excellent analysis, and while the half length photo should, until other evidence occurs, be considered the work of the author of the article, so unfortunately still copyrighted until 2046 or so. The first, ear flap hat, photo is marked at the bottom of the last version "Photos Soyuzfoto" which seems from two of our articles to be an early Soviet era news agency. That doesn't affect the analysis, but we can mention that in the "author" field. Yes, I agree a map would be nice; our article Severnaya Zemlya and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Severnaya_Zemlya have more than I can shake a stick at, and I completely trust you can select the best. --GRuban (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)