Talk:Nina Gordon

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Bias?
The participants in this conversation are reminded strongly to sign your posts. Canonblack 09:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Obvious bias
The writer(s) of this article seems to have a very noticeable pro-Nina Gordon bias that blows her accomplishments out of proportion. Using subjective adjectives such as "successful" in reference to her solo album (paragraph 1) and the inference that Nina alone pioneered pop-rock for the 90s are misleading and heavily opinionated. Also, it's quite interesting how the author refers to Louise's single All Hail Me as having tanked (paragraph 5), while more passive language is used in regards to Nina's single Benjamin, which merely "failed to chart" (paragraph 10). In addition, there seems to be a discrepancy in the number of copies Nina's album Tonight and the Rest of My Life has sold to date. An April 28, 2006 by Bob Mehr of The Meter states that Nina has sold 300,000 copies of her album worldwide, not in the U.S. Source

Clearly some fact checking and some bias removal must be done to clean this article up.

Not Bias
First, the Meter's statistic on Nina's album sales is incorrect and therefore, is not a source (he doesn't source Soundscan or Billboard for her sales). I followed soundscan when the album was released in 2000 and compiled the total sales in the US, which were close to 300,000 (294,000 as of 2002). So her US sales in actuality could be more than that as I was being conservative when I wrote that section.

If you don't consider over 300,000 sold and 4 major movie endorsements for the single a "successful" album, please provide an article or source that claims otherwise.

It seems as if the rest of your quibblings are in regard to Veruca Salt's chart placements, and they are fact. All Hail Me was a commercial failure, as was Shutterbug and Benjamin. However, I do agree the wording should be changed.

re: Bias
It seems you're quite determined to leave as many traces of your pro-Nina bias intact for as long as possible. Again, Nina Gordon did not pioneer or revive the grunge-inspired 90s pop-rock, although a source refuting these claims would be amusing to see.

RE: RE: Bias
oh jesus, the original poster should remove that one line before the VS2000 fan has a stroke

Move some of this to the Veruca Salt page
the entire Veruca Salt section should be moved to the Veruca Salt (band) page, which is in pretty bad shape right now. I think the move would benefit both pages. The current section should simply mention the albums and their singles and maybe some quotes from her about them. Information about their charting positions and videos would do better on the veruca salt page. Twelvethirteen 22:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The article is supposed to be about Nina Gordon, not about VS's discography. Canonblack 09:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Disagreed. This page isn't just about Nina's current music, it's also about her previous music and she was in Veruca Salt for 5 years of her life. The only Veruca Salt singles listed are ones that Nina penned herself so I think it deserves to be here.193.61.130.23 10:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Name problem
It was my understanding (and apparently the understanding of quite a number of music journalists, since the info was widely reported in the '90s) that her last name is Shapiro; "Gordon" is a stage name derived from her mother's maiden name. Whether she has legalized it recently (ie., since 2000) or not, it should not be boldly stated that her last name is "Gordon" without an explanation of how she came to be known as "Nina Gordon". Her brother and father's last name is "Shapiro", she is not Robert's step-daughter or Jim's half-sister or any such thing. I will find a source if I have to, but I'm hoping that someone who can already corroborate this can chime in. 12.22.250.4 17:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Disagreed. Her last name is legally Gordon.

Bangles inspired?
"Co-founder of the band Veruca Salt, Gordon pioneered and revived Bangles inspired pop-rock for the mid-'90s grunge generation" I don't really see a resemblance to the Bangles. Um, apart from Bangles having girls (cooties)in it and Gordon being a girl. Also that sentence talks about Veruca Salt. Bold text==File:Ninatatroml.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion==

WE CAN GET A PICTURE I don't have the technical expertise to get pictures but I googled her and got ''Nina Gordon – Free listening, videos, concerts, stats, & pictures at ... www.last.fm/music/Nina+GordonCached - Similar Watch videos & listen free to Nina Gordon: Tonight and the Rest of My Life, Alone With You & more, plus 23 pictures. ... She called her “Ivy Nightingale Russo”.'' WHEN YOU go to http://www.last.fm/music/Nina+Gordon/+images, you can find a nice, decent picture. Wouldn't that comply with "fair use" doctrine? Can anyone upload one of the pictures there? V Schauf (talk)