Talk:Noah Ringer

Constant Image Uploads
As was pointed out to me the other day, Wikipedia does not allow the upload of promotional images to BLP articles. Promotional images are listed under Unacceptable Use at WP:NFC #12, which states, "Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images. For this reason, the two images that were uploaded over the past few days are unacceptable.

As for the birthdate. That needs to be verified by a source, of which I haven't been able to find, besides ones that say 1998. If someone can find a specific source that lists his birthdate, go ahead and put that in the article. Until then, we can't. Silver  seren C 21:46, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Image
I found an image to use for his page. Its a picture of him in the "The LAst Airbender" movie. I found it on another page and i thought it would be useful. Spongie555 (talk) 04:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ...and I removed it. Non-free content (which includes copyrighted images) cannot be used to depict a living person on Wikipedia, provided that taking or finding a free picture (which is definitely possible in this case) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. Be patient, a free photo will be found soon enough. Or alternatively, you could try to look for a free image, or get out there and take the photo yourself. See Non-free content for more information on non-free content, the rationale behind the policy and the policy itself. - Kollision (talk) 05:22, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced info
173.59.207.228 has been trying to put the below information into the article. However, since it is kind of derogatory, I have taken it out. We will require reliable sources before we can allow this info to be put into the article, can other help look for them?

"Being known as the worst actor of 2010, reason being the film The Last Airbender. Having little to no acting experience at all, Ringer was signed to play as Aang. Before the filming officially began, he attended acting school for approximately a month." Silver seren C 18:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Number 36 keep on changing noah ringer birth date is 1997 not 1996 you want to know why he said he was 13 at the year of 2010 it means only at his birthday then he will become 13 please number 36 stop changing please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki9777 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Wiki9777, 25 August 2010
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Please i need to edit noah ringer birthdate is all wrong he was born in the 1997 not 1996 number 36 is vadalism not me blame him his the wrong plese let me edit this page and change the birthdate to its correct birthdate check all this link all saind 1997

http://avatarthelastairbender.org/noah-ringer-plays-aang-the-last-airbender/ http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/bG5Q29usNhQn.htm http://www.facebook.com/notes/the-last-airbender-indonesia/facts-about-noah-ringer/114498801907695 http://coolspotters.com/actors/noah-ringer http://www.chacha.com/question/how-old-is-noah-ringer http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_old_is_Noah_Ringer http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100219083119AAg9ndB http://www.freemooviesonline.com/fmo-blog/2010/06/celebrity-profile-noah-ringer/ http://www.screenrush.co.uk/personne/fichepersonne_gen_cpersonne=244690.html

This are the few links that say noah ringer is born in the 1997 so let me edit and not number 36(i found out that number 36 hate noah ringer the only to make noah ringer look bad he change the birthdate to 1996 so the whole would belive that noah ringer is born in 1996)

Wiki9777 (talk) 02:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Done.--Commander Keane (talk) 03:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * A number of editors reverted Wiki9777's edits, this focus on me is misplaced, his edits were reverted because he had failed to provide any ref, edit summary or discussion, and they contradicted the references already provided, he was provided with a warning on his talk page by another editor explaining this. This is not edit warring, as per WP:BLP "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". There are a number of problems with the above links he has provided, in relation to not being reliable sources, one is a blog, another a facebook page, and another a wiki-answers page, some others are obviously using information from wikipedia or explicitly guessing, none of them constitute reliable sources as per wikipedia standards. As a rule when people give their age they do not state the age they will be on their following birthday, as Wiki9777 claims in the above section, for the simple reason that this is not their age. I would've assumed based on the strength with which Wiki9777 expresses his position above that he might have had something beyond these links on which to base his position, otherwise I can't understand why the feels so strongly about what to me appears to be a fairly inconsequential and minor point.
 * Here's something else, Noah was competing in the 11 to 13 division of the 2007-2008 American Taekwondo Association Texas Championships, and competing as at February 2008, which as his birthday is in November, he would not have been old enough to do if born in 1997. How he extrapolates that I, or anyone would, 'hate' Noah Ringer based on this, or how it could make anyone 'look bad' to be born in 1996 is beyond me, these comments should have been enough to indicate his position is somewhat flawed, and in violation of WP:AGF.
 * This should be changed back, as Wiki9777 has not provided proper reliable sources, and those already provided, including the State of Texas via the Texas Birth Index, indicate 1996 as his year of birth. As per WP:RS/IMDB, Imdb is not a reliable source, its contents are user submitted and edited.Number36 (talk) 04:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you give a direct link to the ancestory.com source? And the other source was a back-calculation from a newspaper article, not ideal. If the date is disputed then take it out. In fact I'll take it out now, and wait for a good source that we can agree upon.--Commander Keane (talk) 05:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * So the NBC is not a reliable source? Tb hotch Ta lk C. 01:05, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No. It's journalistic commentary, unsupported by references. And for the record, back-calculations are unacceptable here. Rodhull  andemu  01:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And all the links posted above are not? Tb hotch Ta lk C. 01:14, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Of course they aren't! "Shite" would be a compliment to some of them- I mean, astrology sites? None of these is acceptable. Please review WP:BLP before taking a step further in this debate. Rodhull andemu  01:23, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

hah i love testing poeple Commander Keane those thing i wrote up there are all lies are just wrote it because i want to test poeple like you Commander Keane i mean i went crazy website to post it here to test you hah of couse none of those site are reliable you know facebook and astrology site hah anyway who would hate noah ringer so the test work you took it so serious next time be careful what you Commander Keane and number 36 no hard fellings i just needed somebody to use to test Commander Keane well Commander Keane i hope you learn your lesson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki9777 (talk • contribs) 06:48, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm can AGF can be put aside when the user in question explicitly admits that he isn't engaging in good faith? Even if the above claim were true it would be certainly OR and inappropriate for Wiki9777 to be editing as a primary source, though I would point out that the IP addresses Wiki9777 was using just before starting this single purpose account originated from Malaysia, there's a fansite originating in the nearby Philippines I removed from the page recently that has very similar use of English.
 * Also I would ask Wiki9777 to stop e-mailing me; I didn't block you, I didn't protect the page, I didn't change the text when you requested it, and I didn't remove it again afterwards, and no matter how many times you write the word 'please' it doesn't make a compelling argument, I've actually been away for a while so it was a bit annoying to come back and find my in-box full of this. That he was e-mailing me personally, including all the links before he posted them here, seems to contradict the claim to be 'testing' Commander Keene above. But all of that is fairly moot, I think by his posts here he's shown himself not to have a valid basis for his edits. Without an actual argument or reference being forthcoming I can't see any reason to give any credence to his position, and from his last post it sounds as though he was admitting to purposely engaging in disruptive editing.Number36 (talk) 06:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

wiki9777:number 36 tch tch tch well you are are the one chaging noah ringer birthdate you should blame you self that all this is happening anyway iam am still going to change noah ringer birthdate.
 * The Texas Birth Index at http://www.ancestry.com lists Noah Andrew Ringer as born November 18, 1996. That's a pretty unimpeachable source. Is it original research to use it? Sure. But it's obviously accurate - and there is a reliable source to directly back it up - this newspaper article that says he's 13 in July 2010. So why revert something you know is true? All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 06:05, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Can we just stop this and i mean you stop i thought you were number 36 well i guess wrong oh well but you are wrong is that really a reliable source that website is not free and they (if you have any infomation send it to us)that prove it is not a reliable source sure they maybe a free trial but as you finishing the registration the last part say that after the 14 days trial you have to pay 155 that wow so next time try a reliable source like i dont know ask noah ringer he is birthdate and the upload in youtube well and why put something is not truth like yours hallow or all hallow never mind i am still going to chage it into the original birthdate i dont poeple to know all your lies oh well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.137.199.129 (talk) 08:54, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, Ancestory.com is a reliable web site, the Texas birth index they've created on their site is sourced from the Texas Department of State Health Services, not having a free trial is totally irrelevant, as per WP:IRS it is not necessary for an archived copy to be accessible via the internet. Actually, if anything, as a professional site they'd probably be more reliable than a free site; They're certainly a more reliable source than Wiki9777's entirely unsourced personal opinion, which is all the current year of birth appears to be based on, directly against Wikipedia policy, especially considering it's a biography of a living person WP:BLP.
 * It's also not original research to use it as a reference, if we were directly using the original official records as a reference maybe, but ancestory.com itself is a reliable secondary source. Many sources can't be linked directly on Wikipedia, those from books or scientific journals for instance, you'd have to go out and pay for many of these, doesn't change the fact that they are reliable sources. One individual who, with respect, obviously has trouble with English, has not presented any sort of coherent valid argument for his position or any reference whatsoever, and has even tried to explicitly misrepresent his information as being based on a personal connection to the subject, should not be attempting to control the content of this page through edit warring and threatening to edit war.
 * Finally, here's an interview from July with Eric Pechacek, Noah's taekwondo instructor who got him to audition for the role and knows him well, in which he explicitly refers to Noah as being a regular 13-year-old boy, no back calculations are necessary to see this contradicts him being 12 years old.Number36 (talk) 20:35, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I will change but there i just so many website that say that he was born in the 1997.I did say i maybe stop chaging the birthdate but most of them were reliable source telling that noah ringer was born in 1997 but they is only two or one reliable source and the other are non-reliable source i will did do a lot of research to find the real birthdate Wiki9777 is right that noah ringer was born in the 1997 i too belive that noah ringer was born in the 1997 wiki9777 said there are more result of noah ringer born in the 1997 so i for one will support wiki9777 and noah ringer instructor eric pachacek help noah ringer get the part of aang in a video but he did not say that he was a regular 13-year-old boy the real sentence as an average child he did not say he was a regular 13-year-old boy he is the video link for proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NEwysO0ywE&feature=related.Dragonage 8 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 07:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC).

Protection
Biographies require reliable sources, and continual edit-warring over date of birth isn't productive. Accordingly, I've now protected the article for a week for anyone interested to provide a reliably-sourced and verifiable date of birth. As you will see from above previous sources do not comply with either of these policies, which are non-negotiable. If no such source emerges, some form of wording to express the doubt should be agreed by editors, as it has been on other articles such as George Harrison. Rodhull andemu  02:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * How about this? Silver  seren C 02:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Specifically in what way do you consider the provided sources not to comply with these guidelines? And do you really think there's any reason to give credence to Wiki9777's arguments such as they are?Number36 (talk) 03:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, Rodhullandemu explained himself in the section above why the current two sources aren't good enough. Which is why I offered this source instead. Silver  seren C 03:41, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing where he did that for ancestory.com or even mentioned it, Commander Keane asked for a direct link to the Texas birth index at ancestory.com, though he didn't actually make any assertion about it not being a reliable source, and it's not necessary for something to be accessible for free through the internet for it to be considered a reliable source as per WP:IRS. On the point Rodhullandemu made about the second reference re back-calculations; it's provided as a source for him being 13 which isn't a back calculation and counters the age the article would say he was with the date asserted by wiki9777, Wikipedia automatically creates a back-calculation from the birth date, an assertion of that birth date is an assertion in the article that he is 12 as opposed to 13. If the current news item referenced is not seen as reliable enough because it doesn't list a source then the interview with his instructor I linked above should be a suitable alternative as a reliable sourced reference for his age, if not his birth date.Number36 (talk) 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

undated comment added 07:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC). I found a website that will stop this is this website http://www.popstarsplus.com/actors_noahringer.htm this website is also say that noah ringer was born in 1997 not only that this website source is from the wikipedia june 2010 that it before wiki9777 and number 36 star fighting about the birthdate the original birthdate is 1997 so stop chaging.Cengzeng (talk) 10:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No reason why this website should be regarded as reliable, since it's a fan site which uses ourselves as a source, and since some people just won't let it go, I've reprotected the article until a reliable source is cited. And if I thought that you are Dragonage8 evading your block, you would be out of here, period. Rodhull  andemu  03:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

New reference
Could we add this into the article? ''Ringer, who’s of American Indian heritage, still lives in Dallas with his parents. '' Source: http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/11/03/noah-ringer-last-airbender-cowboys-aliens/ Denaar (talk) 07:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * See below; this would have to come from a much better source than a tabloid, per policy on biographies. Rodhull  andemu  03:50, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I always thought of Entertainment Weekly as a really respectable magazine, I'm surprised to find out it's considered a tabloid, but I do agree there is a difference between being American Indian and having American Indian Heritage. Denaar (talk) 05:17, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have to confess that I am not familiar with Entertainment Weekly, but my concern is based on reliable source requirements; it appears to me to be largely populist rather than analytical, which is our normal criterion, but if you can show that they meet our criteria, fair enough. Rodhull  andemu }
 * This is their description from Wikipedia: "Entertainment Weekly (sometimes abbreviated as EW) is an American magazine, published by the Time division of Time Warner, that covers film, television, music, broadway theatre, books and popular culture. Unlike celebrity-focused publications Us Weekly, People, and In Touch Weekly, EW's primary concentration is on entertainment media news and critical reviews. Unlike Variety and The Hollywood Reporter, which are aimed at industry insiders, EW targets a more-general audience." They aren't a gossip rag or a tabloid. Denaar (talk) 21:23, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from SparkyBoomMan, 6 November 2010
Right now it says Noah Ringer is "an American actor"

I want to change it to "an American Indian actor". My reference, http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/11/03/noah-ringer-last-airbender-cowboys-aliens/

"Ringer, who’s of American Indian heritage, still lives in Dallas with his parents"

Thank you!

SparkyBoomMan (talk) 03:23, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a tabloid source, and dubious. Unless there's a more reliable source, he should be described as we have it, and being of "American Indian heritage" does not necessarily make him "American Indian", per se. If you can find a better source, fine, but not right now, thanks. Rodhull  andemu  03:48, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request
I would like to greatly expand this article. To be truthful, I basically want to rewrite this article and greatly expand it. I would like to include the background of Ringer getting the part of Aang in The Last Airbender, a section on his martial arts, and a section on his personal life (interests & hobbies). Should I submit each separate section for approval, in stages, or should I submit my whole article at one time? Is there a maximum length for how long Ringer's complete article can be? Thank you.Lonewolf1380 (talk) 04:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's up to you whether to do it all at once or in separate sections. I think small chunks would be easier, personally, than doing it all at once. And there is no limit on size...well, there actually is, it's 100kb, but I really doubt you'll make it that long. However, you have to make sure that the information you add has reliable sources attached to it. Adding information without any sources is considered original research and will be removed. Silver  seren C 04:44, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. And just to reiterate, it would be better for me to submit my edits here on the talk page for approval rather than just going ahead with the edits without approval?Lonewolf1380 (talk) 05:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Added Personal Life
Added new section to article - Personal life. I don't see my edit summary here, so I'll just type it again. Proof that Ringer's Facebook is authentic: it is linked from Master Pechacek's (Ringer's taekwondo instructor) & Dallas Young Actors Studio's Facebooks, and Linda Seto (from DYAS) has posted several times on Ringer's Facebook. These people know Ringer well and would not link or post to an imposter.Lonewolf1380 (talk) 05:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Photo?
I would like to add a photo of Noah for this page. I've tried reading through all the free content guides, and I just cannot get a straight, specific answer. What is considered a free photo? The dozens of pictures of Noah at public events - are all of these free and fine to use for this page, no matter if they come from AP Images or MTV or whatever? What about pics that he or his friends have posted to Facebook? Are all of those fine to use? I'm so confused.Lonewolf1380 (talk) 18:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * A free photo is one the owner has released rights to. Some could be found on Flickr. AP photos or MTV wouldn't be free. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 01:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Please ban DavidEOliver1973 from Noah Ringer's article
I don't know how to go about recommending an editor be banned from this article, so I'll just do it here. DavidEOliver1973, over the course of this week, has repeatedly edited Ringer's article to include information that does not make sense and/or is completely false. I am certain this user is the David Edward Oliver who was banned from Ringer's official Facebook page because of concern over information found on his personal Facebook page, which points to a mentally unstable and possibly perverted personality. I do not want to defame someone here, but I have to be as blunt as I can. This user needs to be banned for editorial and security purposes. Thank you.Lonewolf1380 (talk) 01:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I would advise that you use the WP:ANI incident board. I've already gone ahead and removed the copyrighted image David added to the article and also put it up for deletion. Silver  seren C 01:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Why is this article being considered for deletion?
I notice that someone is asking for this article to provide reliable, secondary sources - it does. Someone is also asking for this article to be written from a neutral point of view - it is. Am I missing something? Could specific violations in the article be pointed out? I don't see any violations, and I think the two warning tags need to be removed. This article should not be considered for deletion. Lonewolf1380 (talk) 13:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The notable warning tag has already been removed. For the neutral tag, I don't know how else it could be made more neutral to be honest. Maybe a statement or two about how untrained an actor he is? HasdiBravo (talk) 16:26, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Age: 14 or 15?
So, let's look: So, why we have "November 18, 1996 (age 15)" at this article??? Could anyone give good valuabele link with "1996"? Okras (talk) 20:56, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) noah-ringer.com/noah/bio.php says "Birthday November 18,1997, Age 14 Years Old"
 * 2) imdb.com/name/nm3226241/ writes "November 18, 1997"
 * 3) facebook.com/pages/Noah-Ringer/109306182466431?sk=info says "Age 14"


 * I just changed the date to 1997. I really can't find anything that isn't a Wikipedia mirror, that has anything but 1997.  -Aaron Booth (talk) 05:15, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As explained in above sections, the Texas Birth Index Registry states that he was born in 1996. All the sources you list above, the Noah Ringer fan page, the IMDB page, and the Facebook page can either have been falsified or not updated recently. I'm not sure why his fans are so active in trying to portray him as younger than he is, but the birth index is quite irrefutable. Silver  seren C 05:41, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

WANTED: Noah Ringer free photo
I switched Noah Ringer's non-free photo as Aang with another non-free photo of Noah Ringer at 2010 KCA from MTV splash page. It's been marked for speedy deletion because it is supposely replacable with a free image, which as of writing is yet to be found. Catch-22 (logic).

So, I appreciate it if anyone with a facebook account to contact Noah Ringer and ask him post on his wall a nice picture of himself either to a) public domain or b) released under a free license like CC-BY-SA-3.0. For the latter, please make sure he understands the caveats of cc-by-3.0 license. I'll take care of the rest. Thank you.
 * — Hasdi Bravo &bull; 02:02, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Remember when adding non-free photos to Wikipedia:
 * " Wikipedia's non-free content use policy almost never permits the use of non-free images (such as promotional photos, press photos, screenshots, book covers and similar) to merely show what a living person looks like. Efforts should be made to take a free licensed photo (for example, during a public appearance), or obtaining a free content release of an existing photo instead. The Free Image Search Tool may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites."
 * -Aaron Booth (talk) 17:27, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * BTW guys, I made another polite request to the author (Loren Javier) to relicense this flickr photo from CC BY-ND to CC BY-SA, which is required with wikipedia. His response as follows. I suggest we respect his decision and leave him and his photos alone. FYI. — Hasdi Bravo &bull; 15:00, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "Thanks for your interest in my photos. Unfortunately, I am unable to grant your request. I get quite a few of these requests to put my photos on Wikipedia and I have to deny them all just to continue to protect my photos. Changing my creative commons license any more than I have it leaves my photos vulnerable. I hope you understand."

Second ref to racebending.com re Native American background
I removed this as redundant since the article it links to merely in turn links to the original article used as the first ref, so it's not really a secondary source for the information. Hasdi has reintroduced it with the point that the Racebending.com includes a note saying they checked with the reporter of the first article that it was accurate as it had been questioned as a possible error. Which is fair enough, however a couple of points, we don't really need a reference for the first reference, which is what it would be as opposed to a seperate source, the first article stands perfectly well by itself as a reliable source (if it didn't then it shouldn't be included in the first place and a second site confirming it would make no difference), this second link doesn't actually add any extra information. Secondly I'm not sure that racebending itself is a WP:RS, from its description it was created by fans of the cartoon show, and one of the owners/founders of the site wrote the article. I don't really see any credentials on the site that lend it WP:RS authority in any case. That's not to say it's not noteworthy, or to comment on its positions at all I'll hasten to add. So while I can see Hasdi's point, I still tend to think it's redunant in regards to being a second reference.Number36 (talk) 20:35, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I do understand your points and may have some alternate solutions to this. Just to give some background to the others, The Last Airbender was heavily criticized for casting the main characters as whites for a fantasy world influenced by Asian and Native American cultures. Racebending.com (RBC) had long maintained that Noah Ringer, who played the lead role of Aang, is white. When the story broke out that he is actually Native American, many of RBC supporters disputed it as clerical error on Entertainment Weekly (EW) and some even argued that EW is not a "reputable or reliable source". As a result of this, historically, the 1st ref tend to get removed, which lead to "Category:American people of Native American descent" also being removed. I find this very disrespectful, to not acknowledge his heritage and insist that he is white because of others' political and social agenda.
 * Thus, I added the 2nd ref to protect the 1st ref from being removed from those disputing EW's article. Alternatively, we could put a note next to the 1st ref (using and tag:ref ) that his ethnicity has been confirmed and checked by RBC using the 2nd ref. This will create a new "Notes" section to explain the inclusion of the 1st ref. If you have other possible solutions, and all ears. Number36, you're welcome to have more cookies. :-) — Hasdi Bravo &bull; 14:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see your concern. That sounds like a reasonable solution, as per WP:EXPLNOTE, or alternatively a hidden text note may work instead? ...or possibly be appropriate in conjunction with the note to draw people's attention to it if they intend removing the first ref for the reason you describe?Number36 (talk) 21:26, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I added WP:EXPLNOTE and WP:HIDDEN yesterday. A separate Notes section may be overkill, just to accomodate those in denial of his heritage. I think a link to RBC site is a necessary evil until we have another WP:RS reference in the future. I hope this is satisfactory for now. Cheers. — Hasdi Bravo &bull; 14:16, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Very satisfactory, nice solution.Number36 (talk) 23:41, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Per WP:MOSBIO, this doesn't go in the intro, but in early life or somewhere. That's where I moved it. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 04:24, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW, for anyone curious, Ringer's paternal grandfather was a German immigrant who came to the U.S. in the late 1940s or the 1950s. His paternal grandmother was an American of German and English ancestry. Ringer's mother is from a Southern family, so whatever Native American ancestry he has must come from her. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 04:26, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. Several weeks back, I bumped into one of his former neighbor on twitter who said something similar, but until there is more statement from Noah Ringer, EW ref's "of American Indian heritage" is all we could go on for now, which is still correct even if his heritage is diluted like Johnny Depp. xP Do you have any references to back your information on Ringer's family background? Thank you. — Hasdi Bravo &bull; 04:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I have no references. Just original research. But then again, I'm not trying to get it inserted into the article (though it probably should be if we're mentioning his Native American ancestry - but like I said, I don't have a source). But for the curious, the wedding announcement of his paternal grandparents, Jurgen Fritz Ringer and Barbara Maynard, is here. There's an obituary of Fritz Ringer, a noted professor who was his grandfather's brother (i.e. Noah Ringer's great-uncle), here. I wasn't able to find much on Ringer's mother's side, but there's an obituary of his maternal grandmother here. A Southerner named Ann E. McDonald, (first?) husband's name Fagan (that would be Noah Ringer's maternal grandfather). All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 02:44, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Notability?
Is he really notable enough to warrant a page here? He's been in only two movies, and his career hasn't advanced any since 2011. Shouldn't we delete the article, and maybe add it back at a later date when he has become more notable? Le Rusecue (talk) 01:22, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's talk about this again once Zach Tyler Eisen's page has been deleted. — Hasdi Bravo &bull; 14:29, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I would say every single person who has played the leading role in a motion picture that has grossed $100 million or more in the United States should have their own Wikipedia page. Just a blanket policy. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 07:57, 23 July 2012 (UTC)