Talk:Nordic agrarian parties

Article's title
As "agrarian" is an adjective referring to an ideology as "social democratic" or "liberal" (see i.e. list of social democratic parties or list of liberal parties), I would move the article to Nordic agrarian parties. What do you folk think? --Checco (talk) 11:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd agree, yeah. — Nightstallion 12:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Agrarian movement has been a political ideology in the Nordic countries and in Bulgaria before the Soviet occupation in 1944, when the Agrarianism in Bulgaria was crushed. 84.248.36.214 (talk) 16:49, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

True Finns
The True Finns are Nordic and they are agrarian, but they are not 'Nordic agrarian'. Nordic agrarianism is a specific phenomenon and party ideology present in Nordic countries, not simply 'people in Scandinavia that believe in agrarianism'. This is supported by the literature, as cited and as can also be found very easily with a Google search. True Finns, and the preceding Finnish Rural Party, have been around long enough to be included in that literature if they did indeed fit that bill. However, the fact is that they don't. Bastin 04:23, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It is strange, that also Google can trace the Agrarian movements of the late 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century, even if it is not interesting for the British or Americans. You should read the uncencored versions of Centre Party, Veikko Vennamo and Urho Kekkonen. They all represented the same idea of making mashes to the field and improving the paper, cellulose and carton industry to relieve the poverty on the rural areas by developing the market value of the forests. Finland is by its territory almost like Germany or Japan. 84.248.36.214 (talk) 16:53, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


 * As I said, this article is not about agrarianism. It is about a particular strain of ideology that is present across Scandinavian countries called 'Nordic agrarianism'.  This is supported by the references in this article.  Wikipedia has a policy of requiring verification by reliable sources, to ensure articles put forward a neutral point of view.  The preferred sources are journal articles, books, and newspapers in English.  Since I found plenty of references in English to the Centre Party belonging to the Nordic agrarian family, I don't think it'll be hard for you to do the same with the True Finns.  Please, go ahead. Bastin 18:52, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I quote Bastin: "the True Finns are Nordic and they are agrarian, but they are not Nordic agrarian". The material inserted by the IP user and removed by Bastin is thus not appropriate here (also beacuse it is only about Finland), but why not starting an article on Agrarianism in Finland? --Checco (talk) 15:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Good idea. There is a complicated history between True Finns/Rural Party and the Centre Party and it deserves to go somewhere. Bastin 20:34, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Borgerlig
Venstre is the leading "borgerlige" party in Denmark and is always categorized as such, the Icelandic and Swedish parties are considered borgerlige as well, while the Norwegian party is allied with Labour and generally not mentioned as borgerligt. I am not sure about the Finnish. The references saying these parties do not consider themselves "borgerlige" and since the info is sourced I haven't removed it, but watered it down (as its clearly incorrect). I doubt the source says all Nordic agrarian parties do not consider themselves to be borgerlige. The Swedish party has moved rightwards since 2007 when the book was published and is today a Liberal party, so this is also a factor to be considered.--Batmacumba (talk) 11:33, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Atassut
I have no idea why Atassut is placed in this category (apart from its MPs traditionally joining Venstre in the Folketing, but that is due to shared Liberalism), given the marginal status of farming there is no basis for agrarianism in Greenland and fishing interests in the "rural" settlements are represented by several parties. Atassut is an economically liberal and (at least historically) unionist party, its not part of the agrarian tradition. So I am removing it.--Batmacumba (talk) 11:33, 26 August 2017 (UTC)