Talk:Nordic and Scandinavian diaspora in the United Kingdom

Definition of "Scandinavian British"
We say:

...it is estimated that there could be anywhere from 120,000 to up to 750,000 British people with Scandinavian blood in them.

Most English and Scottish people are descended from Celts, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings - the latter two being Scandinavian (mostly Danish) in origin. English and Scottish people of all races make up over 90% of the UK population between them, so it would not surprise me if a large majority of British people have "Scandinavian blood in them".

So, how are we distinguishing "Scandinavian British" people from the White English/Scottish majority who are likely to have some significant Scandinavian ancestry but who are not "Scandinavian British"? In any case, we also need a cite for that claim. Pfainuk 18:05, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Peter Schmeichel
Peter Schmeichel doesn't fit the definition at the top of the page as he was neither born nor raised in the UK. His son, Kasper does though. Maybe it should be changed to him.--Eujin16 (talk) 06:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Scandinavia/Nordic Countries
Please revise your definition of "Scandinavia." Scandinavia is strictly Sweden, Denmark and Norway. It may be common error to confuse Scandinavia and the Nordic countries, but Wikipedia is no place for this.

Either change "Scandinavian" to "Nordic" or remove everything about Iceland and Finland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.121.108 (talk) 01:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Definition of "Scandinavian British"
We say:

...it is estimated that there could be anywhere from 120,000 to up to 750,000 British people with Scandinavian blood in them. Sandbox using this account (talk) 12:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Most English and Scottish people are descended from Celts, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings - the latter two being Scandinavian (mostly Danish) in origin. English and Scottish people of all races make up over 90% of the UK population between them, so it would not surprise me if a large majority of British people have "Scandinavian blood in them".

So, how are we distinguishing "Scandinavian British" people from the White English/Scottish majority? who are likely to have some significant Scandinavian ancestry but who are not "Scandinavian British"? In any case, we also need? a cite for that claim. Sandbox using this account (talk) 12:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Huh?

 * "Scandinavian migration to the United Kingdom is a phenomenon that has been occurring for nearly 1,500 years."

Now, that truly is a remarkable "phenomenon"! How anybody could "migrate to the United Kingdom" in the middle of the first millenium is a bit of a mystery, when the Yookay was only invented in 1801. Were people migrating to/from the People's Republic of China during the first millenium? Errrr, nope. The PRC was only invented in 1949. In the 1st and 2nd millenia (or nearly all of the 2nd millenium) they were migrating to/from China.

There is a huge difference between modern, man-made, ephemeral political units like states and geographically enduring entities like islands and countries. Sometimes I truly despair of Wikipedia. --Mais oui! (talk) 11:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Genetic trait
Seems to be a problem with British originated articles. Yookay was actually created a bit earlier than 1801 (1707) but you can find plenty of Yookay/British anachronisms across Wikipedia and the Internet in general. The Northern Ireland Public Records Office (PRONI),for example, proclaimed an exhibition in 2001 on 200 years of Northern Ireland being in the Union. This despite Northern Ireland not having existed before 1920. The last date being the creation of the current borders of the UK.

Then again, many folks in Britain seem to think that the Republic of Ireland is in the UK and that Scotland is a sovereign state. Strange country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.165.2 (talk) 14:03, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou
I would like to thank Scandinavia for sharing their Nordic genes with England i wish England would try and join that Nordic nations thing were closer genetically to Scandinavia than those other Celtic nations109.154.28.183 (talk) 14:24, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Scandinavian settlement
Scandinavian settlement in the UK began with the Anglo-Saxon invasion (5th and 6th centuries). The Jutes (Iuti in Latin) were probably from Jutland (Iutum in Latin) in modern Denmark. Historical and archaeological research in the early 20th century indicated that a wider range of Germanic peoples from the coasts of Jutland and Southern Sweden also have moved to Britain during the 5th and 6th centuries (see : Robin George Collingwood, Roman Britain and the English Settlements, 1936/37). Sirius2044 (talk) 02:47, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

proto-english.org
The cited webpage www.proto-english.org seems quite un-scientific and the text at least needs a brush up. As of now it revolves more around language than actual migration and seems to be some what politicizing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.242.41.24 (talk) 12:23, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

This article is badly written unscientific trash based on dubious sources, well below the usual standard of Wikipedia. In fact it is so flawed and biased it would be better to delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.233.234.215 (talk) 21:23, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree. It's clearly just somebody's pet theory (a somebody avowedly in search of a publisher...). Q·L·1968 ☿ 21:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I've removed the poorly sourced material. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I don't see the value in having two poorly maintained articles on Scandinavian migration to Britain rather than one (hopefully better) article, so I'm proposing that Scandinavians in the United Kingdom be merged here. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:52, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Removed text
Comment: A lot of that is certainly valid, and referencing is included in the text. I can't comment on the genetic content, prehistory, nor the debunking of toponymic claims, but the broad historical thrust is valid. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:01, 22 August 2015 (UTC).


 * Thanks, Rich Farmbrough. When I get a moment, I will selectively reintroduce some of that material and convert the references to inline ones, but try to weed out the original research (e.g. "Therefore it is not necessary to presume that many elements that appear Scandinavian to actually come from the Vikings..."). Cordless Larry (talk) 05:20, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

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