Talk:Norman Cota

Photo accompanying the article
The photo of the parade in Paris is for the 28th Division. I recommend deleting it because Gen. Cota was with the 29th Division. Is there a 29th Division photograph that is appropriate? 71.230.201.203 (talk) 10:31, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Cota took command of the 28th Division in mid-August. The parade through Paris was in late August, about two weeks after Cota took over.  I don't see a problem.
 * Billmckern (talk) 11:58, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

... Command and General Staff School, at Fort Benning, Georgia, in 1931?
Since the C&GS School is located at Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas, and has been for quite some time (Eisenhower attended and graduated from the school at Leavenworth in the 1920s), this statement either needs to be substantiated or corrected. (Revision as of 01:07, 27 April 2008 - )


 * Changing to Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas. > Best O Fortuna (talk) 10:57, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Divison Commander

 * Biography on Maj. Gen. Norman D. Cota...

There is a biography on Norman Cota named "Division Commander" by Robert A. Miller C. 1989 The Reprint Co., Publishers, Spartanburg, So. Carolina USA. ISBN:0-87152-438-4

Though there is much information on Gen. Cota from other sources, This Biography gives a better unstanding of the life of Gen. Cota previous or since?

With the present topical interest for a movement by veterans for Gen. Cota to receive a belated MOH, and revealed facts of his deeper involvement with military operations (Before and after D-Day during WWII), a little known personnna/character of him is now emerging to the surface.

In my personal inquire about ths belated MOH movement... It was refered to Rep. Adam Schiff and Rep. Henry "Buck" McKeon of California. This may shed some additional light of the present belated MOH statis for Gen. Cota. During WWII, It is alledged that Gen. Cota's denial for a MOH was politically motivated due to his personal close association (Roosevelt cousin connection) to Gen. Theodore Roosevelt Jr.(III) and "Cousin Ted's" untimely death during the D-Day Operations toward the later MOH granting, in my opinion it is a separate issue all together. Over time and memorial, Gen. Cota's common sense and bravery on the battle field is obvious, and should be deemed today on his historical merits and integrity as a military tactician and genius.

71.135.229.211 (talk) 02:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Aedwardmoch71.135.229.211 (talk) 02:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Cota's Relationship's with Other Generals
From his cadet days at The U.S. Military Academy at West Point to his post-officer days, Cota was well liked. Both Gen. Cota and Gen. Roosevelt Jr. were distant cousins, as well as their spouses, Constance Martha Alexander-Cota and Elearnore Butler Alexander-Roosevelt, their relationship would grow during Operation Torch The North African Campaign, when Cota was 1st. Division Chief of Staff under him and Gen. Terry Allen, and later during Operation Overlord D-Day. After D-Day, the friendship between Gen. Eisenhower and him grew even more in civilian days. In the biography of Gen. Omar Bradley, he expressed good comments about Cota.

Bradley On Hurtgen Forest
Over the years after World War II, historians and writers commented on the blunders that occurred during "The Battle of The Bulge", that almost destroyed Gen. Cota's 28th. Division. One of the controversial heresays was lack of communication from Cota and the upper levels, and the loss of an intelligence decoder machine under the watch of the 28th., that had gotten into the hands of the Nazi German Army. According to Gen. Omar Bradley's biography in the 1970's, he set the record straight, explaining that the truck containing the intelligence decoder was stolen by some civilian youngsters in the area, intending to take the truck for a joy ride. The truck was later recovered, with the decoder machine still in the back, intact and undisturbed.

71.135.229.211 (talk) 02:45, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Aedwardmoch71.135.229.211 (talk) 02:45, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

71.135.229.211 (talk) 02:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Aedwardmoch71.135.229.211 (talk)

Aedwardmoch (talk) 03:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC) Alfred "Ed Moch" Cota Aedwardmoch (talk) 03:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.245.117 (talk) 15:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

First of all, the Huertgen Forest Battle (November 2–16, 1944) was a separate battle from the Battle of the Bulge (16 December 1944–25 January 1945). That should be untangled in this article. While the 28th may have fought defensively at the Bulge, they were on the offensive in the Battle of the Huertgen Forest.

The view of Cota's performance during the Huertgen Forest presented in Follow Me and Die, by Cecil R. Currey, ISBN 0-515-10517-1, is not a positive one, although there is plenty of blame to spread around for the Huertgen debacle. It might be considered as a counterweight to other, more positive, sources.

I hold no POV in this, but am simply pointing out some confusion, as well as listing a useful book I read by happenstance.

Georgejdorner (talk) 14:25, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Gen. Cota's Old Family Roots and Origins
According to The Geneology of Capt. Hugh Mason, By Henry Bond(Published in 1935)http://kinnexions.com/kinnexions/mason/rr02/rr02_317.htm#P12798, both Gen. Cota and his parents are published. His Father, George William Cota is traced to a Daniel Cota of Vermont. His Mother, Jesse Harriet Mason's family lines can be traced to Capt. Hugh Mason and Hester Welles (Wells) on "The Francis", part of "The Winthrop Fleet", the secord or third ship that arrived after the arrival of "The Mayflower".

According to Francesca Cota-Johnson, The Cota Family line continues from Daniel Cota of (St. Albans) Vermont, as the french variant "Cote" in what was French Arcadia, New France, Canada, to a town named Orle, a suburb, just outside of Paris, France.

According to Grandson, Alfred "Ed Moch" Cota, of The Los Pobladores 200, this Cota family line may trace to a "Sancho Cota" of Spain, who was Secretary-Council to Prince Carlos and Princess Eleanor of Spain, later he and his family removed to France when Princess Eleanor married, Francis I, King of France, in the 1500's.

Aedwardmoch (talk) 20:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)AedwardmochAedwardmoch (talk) 20:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Reliability
''Various Internet interviews, comments and opinions from Alfred "Ed Moch" Cota. (Alledged) Biological Grandson of Gen. Norman D. Cota''

WTF?! This is completely unacceptable as sourcing unless backed up by reliable third-party published sources per WP:RS and WP:V.

This casts doubt on the reliability of everything added since this version, 27 April 2008. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 03:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You have the right to challenge my additions, but don't be pre-mature and throw the baby out with the washwater, and find out later that the reliable third-party published sources were there from other sources, regard or regardless of my relationship to the article subject. You are welcome to contact me by way of my Email and/or The Los Pobladores 200 Organization http://www.lospobladores.org. Truth can be stranger than fiction.

Aedwardmoch (talk) 02:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)AedwardmochAedwardmoch (talk) 02:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Croation?
Please subit to me any evidence... a family geneological tree... showing Gen. Cota being a Croatian descendant? I have found no biographical or geneological record of such and contend that the information is in error or bogus.Aedwardmoch (talk) 22:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)AedwardmochAedwardmoch (talk) 22:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Article Improvements
I have noticed additional article improvents to which I say Thank You. The article is looking even betterAedwardmoch (talk) 23:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC)AedwardmochAedwardmoch (talk) 23:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I AM THE GRANDSON OF NORMAN COTA!!!
Norman Cota did not come from Croatia!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.247.116.90 (talk) 06:15, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Comments about the article's quality

 * I performed a minor edit to the article as part of a mass link repair effort. The following message was posted on my talk page, where the user apparently arrived by following a link in the article's revision history.  —David Levy 17:00, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Having read the Cota aryicle, I must comment that the language is very odd. It appears to emulate some military verbage, however it compares to none I 've seen in my decades of joint assignments.

Moreover, the sentence structure is overly complex in many places. There are inconsistencies in naming schools and operations. Topic sentences are generally absent and overall, many paragraphs lack cohesiveness. In total, the article, should be given a comprehensive review, edit, and rewrite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:b00e:a69c:38a6:83f7:534d:f838 (talk • contribs) 11:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC) ‎


 * I'm not sure what this person is complaining about. The military terms are typical, and the writing quality is reasonable. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:04, 6 June 2016 (UTC)