Talk:Nuristani languages

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I don't think there is that much more than can be said. Nuristan is essentially the end of the world. Neither the Pakistanis, nor the British before them, nor the Afgans, pre-during-or post Taliban have ever tried to impose central control over the region.

In terms of the Kurgan hypothesis, this part of the world can be interpreted as the last surviving outpost of IE warrior culture. --FourthAve 03:14, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

the Pamir "see also" is because these are the languages spoken "next door". It would be nice to have a map of the distribution of all these Indo-Iranian langauges. dab (&#5839;) 19:57, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Like this one? Of course, we'd have to ask Richard Strand if we can use it on Wikipedia. Florian Blaschke 21:51, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Needs to be reworked for standard classification
The standard classification of the Nuristani group is still:

Indo-European

Indo-Iranian

Indo-Aryan (aka Indic)

Northwest Group

Nuristani

The proposal for separation as an independent branch of Indo-Iranian should be discussed as new thinking not yet accepted by consensus. The righthand sidebar should be updated with the standard classification.

See Ethnologue.org

Compare my complete reworking of the Dardic languages article.

Sorry I don't have time to do this one...

Article has re-classified correctly.  Arjun G. Menon  ( talk  · mail) 19:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Nuristani are Aryan (Indo-Iranian) languages
In most theories, Nuristani are considered a third separate branch of Indo-Iranian (Aryan) languages - meaning they are neither in the Pashto (Iranian) branch nor Dardic (Indo-Aryan) branch. This is supported by Georg Morgenstierne and Michael Witzel, who are the best scholars of Aryan languages.

Richard Strand is not very helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.152.246.223 (talk) 14:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * First of all, please present exact quotes and page numbers. Secondly, even if you are correct, you are still not allowed to contribute, since you are a banned user (User:Banigul and/or User:Alishah85). That's evading your block and may prevent you from legally editing Wikipedia for a long time. So please stop. Tājik (talk) 21:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

There are references don't vandalize (See http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=90795)
 * Ethnologue?! First of all read what Ethnologue is! 13:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Georg Morgenstierne Morgenstierne´s greatest single contribution to linguistics must be his theory about the origin of the Nuristani (Kafir) languages. He claimed that these languages separated from the Indo-Iranian family already before the Rig Veda (a collection of Vedic hymns) was formulated or perhaps even before the Indian and Iranian branches began to separate. His theory took years to gain support among the linguists but today is undisputed. http://www.nb.no/baser/morgenstierne/english/language.html


 * Richard Strand Within the Indo-European linguistic family the Nuristâni languages form a third sub-group of the Indo-Iranian group, alongside the Iranian and Indo-Âryan sub-groups. http://users.sedona.net/~strand/Nuristani/Nuristanis1.html


 * Also see articles by Michael Witzel - he also agrees. 119.152.247.96 (talk) 15:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Nuristani language materials
The Bashgeli kafirs & their language By Gottlieb William Leitner

http://books.google.com/books?id=EeQLAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Kafiristan: the Bashgeli Kafirs and their language By Gottlieb William Leitner

http://books.google.com/books?id=GG8IAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

The Bashgeli Kafirs & Their Language (1880)

https://archive.org/details/bashgelikafirst00leitgoog

Kafiristan: The Bashgeli Kafirs and Their Language (1880)

https://archive.org/details/kafiristanbashg00leitgoog

Notes on the Bas̳h̳galī (Kāfir) Language By John Davidson

http://books.google.com/books?id=OtdmPknTCBAC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Bashgali Dictionary: An Analysis of Colonel J. Davidson's Notes on the Bashgali Language By Sten Konow

http://books.google.com/books?id=ePzyRKnzOzEC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

The Káfirs of the Hindu-Kush (1900)

https://archive.org/details/kfirsofhinduku00robeuoft

Kafiristan (October 24, 1884)

https://archive.org/details/jstor-1758377

Rajmaan (talk) 22:45, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

http://nuristan.info/Nuristani/Nuristanis1.html


 * I'm leaving here more material on Nuristani gods: Allen Nicholas Justin. Some gods of Pre-Islamic Nuristan. In: Revue de l'histoire des religions, tome 208, n°2, 1991. Histoire des religions et comparatisme : la question indo-européenne. pp. 141-168. [DOI: https://doi.org/10.3406/rhr.1991.1679] [www.persee.fr/doc/rhr_0035-1423_1991_num_208_2_1679] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14D:5CE7:8E72:EC12:30AF:8230:EF8C (talk) 01:15, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Morgenstierne's articles
Does anyone have copies of Morgenstierne's articles pertaining to the Nuristani languages? Kwékwlos (talk) 16:17, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Bump. Kwékwlos (talk) 17:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC)