Talk:Nurit Wilde

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BLP violation
The following has been removed from the accompanying bio, since it violates WP:BLP by arguably defaming a living person without offering any hint of substantiation:
 * She began a casual relationship with (then-married) Michael Nesmith, becoming the mother of Jason Nesmith, who was born August 24, 1968.

If a source is offered on this talk page, agreement should be sought that the source is reliable for this purpose. If no source is promptly offered, i suggest replacing this section with one that gives this section title and indicates that this section has been suppressed to the talk-page edit history. --Jerzy•t 08:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * How does having a baby "defame" someone? Zephyrad (talk) 17:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you mean "How does saying someone had a baby conceivably defame them?" to which part of the answer is that it certainly does not automatically do so. IANALB i think that while the common technical phrase is "defamation of character", it requires only a false statement, and becomes actionable in light of
 * a fact about who believes that false statement about a person (usually abt their behavior), and
 * a judgment, by the defamed person, about the value to them of others disbelieving it with respect to themself.
 * For instance, i expect that calling a white racist "nigger" in their absence (where its falsehood is not obvious) defames them (a matter of civil law), while calling a self-described black American "nigger" does not (even tho it may be a different kind of offense, including criminal ones).
 * In this case, there are three primary potential victims, behaviors widely (but of course no universally) considered immoral and/or irresponsible having been attributed to two of them, and a blameless condition often treated as conferring inferiority having been attributed to the third. Many reasonable people would object to being characterized (respectively) as a rake, a slut, or a bastard kid, and BLP requires us to respect their right to have their behavior and circumstances accurately described, rather than substituting our judgment about what they have the need or right to resent. Whether they actually resent it or not is probably of little significance, especially since (as living people) they have great latitude in deciding tomorrow to start resenting what we will have said today. --Jerzy•t 20:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, what a tirade over a simple statement. Wilde had a child by Nesmith, while he was married to another woman. It happens, and I don't see any so-called "defamation" in it, or "victims", or "judgment", or any "inferiority" expressed or implied. (Jason Nesmith carries his father's name; he's certainly not called "Jason No-Name" or "Jason the Bastard".) Nor do I see your need to toss racial epithets in as "examples", or "reasoning". Zephyrad (talk) 00:12, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Sources for Jason Nesmith
As to Jason Nesmith (#3)'s parentage, here are some sources (thanks also to Zephyrad):


 * A 1994 New York Times article about Donovan Leitch and the band Nancy Boy, identifying Jason Nesmith as "the son of Mike Nesmith, formerly of the Monkees."  This should be sufficient, but there is also:
 * A statement by an arts reporter for the Boston Globe that Nurit had Michael's child, together with a direct quote from Nurit referring to Jason Nesmith as her son.  It's my understanding, subject to being advised otherwised by someone more experienced, that this source is deemed reliable pursuant to Biographies_of_living_persons:  "Some newspapers host interactive columns that they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control."
 * Official publicity for Jason Nesmith's album Portrait, which includes the following: "And yes, he is the son of Michael Nesmith. But don’t tell anybody."
 * Nurit Wilde's own homepage, with links to Jason Nesmith pages (and a contact e-mail for Wilde)
 * I also found a published book on Google directly identifying him as the son of both Mike and Nurit. The provenance of the publisher of this book is unclear, however.

--Arxiloxos (talk) 00:47, 27 December 2008 (UTC)