Talk:Nursing shortage

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 August 2021 and 10 December 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Anewcomer1, Darryannamoore, Mdanthony6.

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WP:NURSE priority review
As part of a review of all nursing wikiproject articles, I have changed this article's importance to high per WikiProject Nursing/Assessment. I have also added C class. If you disagree, please leave a note here so we can discuss it. Cheers, Basie (talk) 06:31, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * upgraded to 'B, on reflection. Basie (talk) 06:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

eloooo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.229.197 (talk) 12:49, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Intro Problems
Arm379 (talk) 03:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)I would like to propose taking out this sentence: "The amount of nursing responsibilities has increased and it may be possible to argue that the patients are more ill as a result." because it does not accurately draw a causal connection between nursing and the illness of patients. One could say that patients may not receive as high a rate of care due to the nursing shortage but this does not directly make them more or less ill.

Also, I am going to suggest changing the tenses in the introductory section as there is a mixture of past and present tense. I also would like to find sources to better contextualize the nursing shortage and prove its importance. Arm379 (talk) 03:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Anewcomer1 02:35, 16 September 2021. I would like to agree with your statement above, I also feel as though it gives a sense of opinion and that's not needed for an article like this, people either agree with what is being said or they don't. Shortages have been around forever and people pretty much know how they feel about them and fore some there is no changing their mind. The author/authors would have more credibility if opinions were left out.Anewcomer1 (talk) 18:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Global Shortage and Recruitment
I would like to add to this section with more detailed information and link the topic to immigration. Does anyone disagree with giving this a more global meaning related to transnational migration?Arm379 (talk) 03:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

The shortage information gives results that are over 10 years old. More updated statistics would provide for better information regarding the shortage in nurses, possibly comments could be made on the retirement of the baby boomer population and the number of nurses that will decrease due to this. The development of travel nurses would also play a role in recruitment. ALAlmond7288 (talk) 02:19, 2 September 2017 (UTC) I added the study that occurred in 2009 that predicted that there would be shortage of 260,000 registered nurses by 2025. I then added the entire Poland section with citations

More defined
I have just added a large portion of content regarding the experience of Filipino nurse migration to the U.S. While this could be made into it's own page, I think it illustrates some of the main issues and concepts regarding nursing shortage. Please let me know if you disagree.

Additionally, I think the first few sections (ie. job satisfaction, patching up the shortage, market philosophy and impacts on healthcare) would greatly benefit from stronger defintions of relevant concepts. I found the market philosophy section to be out of place but did not remove it for now. I also think the job satisfaction section discusses the issue in a roundabout way.

I do not know enough about the issues of the nursing shortage that are not connected to immigration but I would love for someone to add in more introductory information and clear definitions.Arm379 (talk) 09:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Some restructuring
I did some restructing to more clearly delineate where the article focuses exclusively on the US, and tried to provide a more worldwide perspective in the lead statement. The article still contains many POV statements and unreferenced materials, some of which I explicitly pointed out. The article still focuses very closely on the US (and to some extent the Philippines, but more in terms of its relationship with the US), but I think adding more countries is just going to make the article too long. Guptan99 (talk) 17:54, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Just wanted to thank all who worked on this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enigma55 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Opinion
Explore perhaps that there is no real nursing shortage, but a shortage of nurses willing to work in existing conditions. I've heard that Singapore is staffed extremely well nursing-wise but the United States, in example, perpetually under staffs hospitals to save on costs to the detriment of patient care and increased work load on the nurse. Can't really deny this. The internet screams with stories of impossible to meet demands placed upon nurses when adding two more bodies on a unit would eliminate the problem. Even having a nursing assistant at bottom dollar improves patient/family "scores." More help also reduces nurses injuries from an ever-increasing obese patient population. Blondesareeasy (talk) 08:54, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Moved preceding comment to bottom of page. Cheers, Basie (talk) 08:25, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I found the statistics to be outdated. However one area that lacked any commentary and begs the question: is how the educational demands of nurses have changed and how this could contribute to a shortage of nurses. Hospitals seeking prestigious status want graduate degree nurses, where as previously a diploma nurse was sufficient. Clearly this could cause a decrease in employment as well as people seeking these careers.Joce.lee (talk) 23:47, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Reliable Statistics
A majority of the the statistics under Global Shortage and International Recruitment are from 10 plus years ago for each of the countries. Are these numbers still accurate or has there been any improvement throughout the world on the nursing shortage? I believe the statistics need to be updated in order to show comparison to the previous numbers.Under the same section I believe the numbers about the cost to replace a nurse in the US should be updated to current numbers. Akammin (talk) 00:57, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Similarities Among Countries
I liked how the article mentions that the United States is not the only country suffering from nursing shortages. With all of these countries experiencing nursing shortages, do any of them have similar reasons as to why there is a nursing shortage? Is schooling any different throughout these countries? Is standardized testing different in any way? Are schools not teaching the proper information or in the right manner where NCLEX rates are decreasing instead of improving? There are many causes of nursing shortages throughout the healthcare system, in which many important ones are listed throughout the article. However, I feel that there are more aspects as to why we are having such trouble finding nurses to work in our healthcare field.Kelly Kilber 22:08, 31 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellykilber (talk • contribs)

Suggestions/Questions
Some statistics or additional information that may be useful for this article include: How many new graduate nurses are added to the workforce per year? How many seasoned nurses are leaving the field per year? (What is this ratio? What is this ratio compared to fields that are flourishing?) Are the nurses that leave the field pursuing other careers, or are they retiring from the workforce? Do countries with universal healthcare experience a greater (or smaller) nursing shortage? How long does the "average" nurse stay in the field? How long do nurses stay in one job position? Pauliana Landreth (talk) 04:05, 1 September 2017 (UTC) Can we add negative impact of patient care due to the nursing shortage?

Improvements in 2021
I added some information to the introduction and patient outcomes to clarify some current aspects of this issue. I also included some suggestions under Patching up the shortage that is backed by recent reviews and research conducted around the world. This article contains a lot of modern and relevant information but is reinforced by some outdated sources and information. I think that more information could be included about the causes of the shortage. This could be opinion, but the fact that in the middle of this problem there is a push to make nursing education BSN exclusive is relevant in the quantity. Likewise, the retirement of many experienced nurses is increasing. These are simply some avenues for conversation in the Wikipedia information.Cwilliamson24 (talk) 14:03, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Impacts Specifically Regarding Nurses and the Result
I added a new section here that talks about how the nursing shortages have specifically and directly impacted nurses and the result. Nurses experience a lot due to these nursing shortages firsthand. (Darryannamoore; October 2nd, 2021) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darryannamoore (talk • contribs) 02:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Suggested RS for updates
Eastern Mediterranean regions and some countries in Latin America." rp|xiii be challenged with nationally defi ned shortages. Figure 3 shows projected increases in numbers of nurses by WHO region and by country income group." rp|xv I will work on this as well but it would be great to have other editors add content from this report. Thank you.Oceanflynn (talk) 21:22, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "The world does not have a global nursing workforce commensurate with the universal health coverage and SDG targets. Over 80% of the world’s nurses are found in countries that account for half of the world’s population. The global shortage of nurses, estimated to be 6.6 million in 2016, had decreased slightly to 5.9 million nurses in 2018. An estimated 5.3 million (89%) of that shortage is concentrated in low- and lower middle-income countries, where the growth in the number of nurses is barely keeping pace with population growth, improving only marginally the nurse-to-population density levels. Figure 1 illustrates the wide variation in density of nursing personnel to population, with the greatest gaps in countries in the African, South-East Asia and
 * "The world does not have a global nursing workforce commensurate with the universal health coverage and SDG targets. Over 80% of the world’s nurses are found in countries that account for half of the world’s population. The global shortage of nurses, estimated to be 6.6 million in 2016, had decreased slightly to 5.9 million nurses in 2018. An estimated 5.3 million (89%) of that shortage is concentrated in low- and lower middle-income countries, where the growth in the number of nurses is barely keeping pace with population growth, improving only marginally the nurse-to-population density levels. Figure 1 illustrates the wide variation in density of nursing personnel to population, with the greatest gaps in countries in the African, South-East Asia and
 * "To address the shortage by 2030 in all countries, the total number of nurse graduates would need to increase by 8% per year on average, alongside an improved capacity to employ and retain these graduates. Without this increase, current trends indicate 36 million nurses by 2030, leaving a projected needs-based shortage of 5.7 million, primarily in the African, South-East Asia and Eastern Mediterranean regions. In parallel, a number of countries in the American, European and Western Pacifi c regions would still
 * "WHO estimates that the overall investments needed to achieve the health targets in SDG 3 by 2030 total US$ 3.9 trillion (10). Over the 12-year period, more than 40% of this investment is for the remuneration, salaries and emoluments of the health workforce required to address the projected shortage of 18 million health workers by 2030 (14–16)" rp|5

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