Talk:Obstetrics and gynaecology

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Deletion discussion
''This article has been listed on Votes for deletion in the past. See Articles for deletion/Obstetrics and gynecology for the discussion archive.''

No "M.O." here.. . terminiation of pregnancy is not actually the most common gynaecological operation:


 * 1) http://www.google.com/search?q=%22most+common+gynecological+operation%22&btnG=Google+Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
 * 2) http://health.bcbstx.com/archive/199810-healthy_options.htm
 * 3) http://www.premierhealthcare.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?article_id=24
 * 4) http://wind.caspercollege.edu/~dbennatt/2020/Lect/ExamVIII/chpt28.htm

-[User:Reboot Reboot]


 * Except they're wrong, and searching for "most common gynecological operation" on GOOGLE is a bad verification technique. In any case you need to clarify WHERE, but for any given place, compare annual rates of hysterectomies (the answer your citation gives, which in the US, is 600,000) vs termination of pregnancy (in the US, more than 1 million)... -- Someone else 23:17, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I want to know, are there gynecologists who do -not- perform said procedure? Are they difficult to find?

Most Ob/Gyns in the US do not perform pregnancy terminations. All of them are trained on how to perform the procedure as it is the same procedure done to treat an incomplete miscarriage, but most don't perform terminations. D.c.camero (talk) 05:23, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Isn't this article big enough to be split in two, one about obstetrics and one about gynaecology? - Kimiko 19:24 Apr 19, 2003 (UTC)

Okay, just did that. -- Kimiko 22:59, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)

If the article has been split into 2 longer ones, is there any need for this very short one? Joyous 23:04, Jun 4, 2004 (UTC)


 * This article seems like it might need to be deleted, but I went ahead and cleaned it up anyways. --Pagrashtak 7 July 2005 20:17 (UTC)

This page could be kept if it were cleaned up a bit, also there is no definition of O&G anywhere on the page... I am in no way medically inclined, but if someone could do the honours, that would make my day. haz (user talk) 19:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the debate was no consensus; however, the first move ("americanize spelling") was uncalled for and not in GF, IMO. Therefore, I've reverted it. &mdash; Nightstallion (?) 10:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

 * Talk:Obstetrics and gynecology – Obstetrics and gynecology → Obstetrics and gynaecology – The individual article is Gynaecology but for some reason in the article about the combined practice, the "a" is dropped. Move simply to correct spelling quirk. (That, or move Gynaecology to Gynecology.)

Voting

 * Support (nominator) - if the individual article uses the British English spelling then this article should too, for continuation. I have actually never seen "gynaecology" spelt without the a. haz (user talk) 19:54, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Variations in British/American spelling should follow the style of the initial author or major contributor. &mdash; Knowledge Seeker &#2470; 23:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose: agree with Dr. KS. Jonathunder 00:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 *  Tentatively support the move in either direction as per haz - we shouldn't change from BE <> AE on a whim, but standardising the spelling across a pair of closely-related articles is quite a good idea. — sjorford (talk)  11:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Whoa, I just noticed something - the article used to be at the 'ae' spelling, as can be seen from the deletion discussion linked above. It was only moved here on 25 November 2005 with the explanation "Americanized title"! . So strongly support the move back. — sjorford (talk)  23:34, 22 January 2006 (UTC) — sjorford


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Pubmed, Google and I vote the spelling Gynecology
PubMed has 3.6 times more hits for gynecolog* than for gynaecolog*. For Google, the gynecology:gynaecology ratio is closer to 10:1. I think there's a pretty good case for gynecology being the preferred spelling.


 * If you use Google.co.uk-There is still 3x more hits for gynEcology than gynAEcology. I don't know if this is still open for debate.

I added a link to HPV vaccine in the "See also" section. Since cervical cancer is the second most common cancer in women worldwide - and since it's nearly always caused by HPV, the HPV vaccine is arguably the biggest news in gynecology this past year. The topic might merit a quick mention in the body of the article. Retroid 22:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * But the fact that Americans dominate Google doesn't mean they have the right to dominate Wikipedia. That said, the result of the vote to move it to gynaecology was no consensus, so it goes without saying that it belongs at gynecology. Darkildor 03:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * True, but the article was moved to the American spelling without consensus in the first place. My oppose vote was based on the inappropriateness of switching spellings; had I read Sjorford's comment in time, I would have switched my vote to support (I can't now, since the debate's been "finalized"). — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I spent too long trying to fix all the double re-directs after this page move. There's a few more that still need to be fixed.  Also, I think putting in a line in the text specifically stating the preferred British spelling would go a long way towards future Wikipedians voting for yet another move (and having to fix all the redirects AGAIN).--Will.i.am
 * Oops, I guess this is already stated on the Gynaecology page already, but it should be said here too (especially when this AmEn spelling article references the BrEn spelling in the more detailed article).--Will.i.am 09:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Bushism
This really didn't belong on this article: Stevage 22:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * President George W. Bush made a confusing statement about OB/GYNs in a Campaign speech at Poplar Bluff, Misory on September 6, 2004 when he said: "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYN's "aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country", it is understood that he was higlighting the shortage of OB/GYN's in the United States. This mistake and many others are referred to as Bushisms.


 * President Obama repeatedly mispronounced OB-GYN in speeches. It is not necessary to include that in the article, nor the so-called Bushisms. I think they have all been removed.--FeralOink (talk) 16:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

2nd the Vote for a Move
I vote that it be renamed in accordance to the british spelling, As it is the most commonly used. I back this move 100%. augrunt 06:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

History
Could someone with access to the knowledge write something on the history of this specialism? When specific doctors first called themselves gynaecologists or the like? OED 1872 T. G. THOMAS Dis. Women 41 Gynæcologists ranged themselves into two parties. 1867 New Syd. Soc. Retrosp. 368 Gynæcology, embracing the Physiology and Pathology of the non-pregnant state. 1876 (title) Transactions of the [American] Gynecological Society. 131.111.161.131 (talk) 09:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)>>>>> re rj'') boys like girls jsfksdjfi sfiwfmnfio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.100.88.209 (talk) 19:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

"Midwifery" and "Obstetrics (midwifery)"
The usage of and the naming of Obstetrics (Midwifery) is under discussion, see talk:Obstetrics (Midwifery) -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:20, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Why the push to validate midwifery as a medical specialty? Midwives do not attend medical school, do not have medical doctorates and therefore are irrelevant Quityourbs (talk) 03:54, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

OB-GYN
What's the history of this weird abbreviation? Why is it usually written in all-caps? And when did people become too lazy to use the individual words - was this a 20th-century thing, or older? 86.191.247.118 (talk) 22:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


 * You don't expect to to remain the same. Things ought to change Favourdennis (talk) 13:27, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


 * It isn't a "weird abbreviation"! All medical specialties use abbreviations to be concise. In the UK, O&G is most common. In the U.S. and Canada, we use OB-GYN. No one has time or wants to write out obstetrics and gynecology every time. It is the same with fields like pediatric oncology (peeds onco), cardiology (cards), nephrology (neph), etc.--FeralOink (talk) 15:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Section Reorganization: "Education and training(residency)"
Hi! I'm planning on adding more information to the OBGYN certification processes for both the U.S. and U.K., and other countries if I can find them.

However, my largest edit would be the actual reorganization of the page sections. I would like to retitle the current "Education and Training (residency)" section--which includes information on OB/GYN certification in the U.S. and U.K.--to "Certification process by country". I would then like to begin a new section, "Education and training in residency", which would focus more on the actual content of residency programs (rather than the OB/GYN certification process) and would include new developments in OB/GYN curriculums, like LGBTQ+ specific healthcare training.

I am doing Wikipedia edits through at class at the university level, so I am new to Wikipedia. If you have any thoughts or feedback I would love to hear it! Please let me know.--Maralogan (talk) 00:47, 9 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi! I just added a new section entitled "Inclusive Approaches to Care." Please let me know what you think, I'm open to feedback and I'm sure more edits need to be made. My intent with this section was to shed light on how critical OB-GYNs are in relation to LGBTQ+ health, which I didn't see mentioned elsewhere on the page. --Maralogan (talk) 04:55, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

== Not a Wikipedia Expert by any means, but the fact that the majority of this article on a medical profession is attempting to discuss and push an agenda on LGBT patient care seems absolutely bizarre to me. ==

Like obviously the topic has importance and I don't deny that. However, the vast majority of this article seems like it would be far better placed in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_and_the_LGBT_community

Right now "inclusivity" takes up more or less 2/3 of this article. I feel like its relevance is minimal at best and this massive, bloated, multiple section long rambling should be condensed into a much smaller section on the main article page to keep the focus of the article on the actual topic at hand, rather than an offshoot topic like inclusivity problems for LGBT patients. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benfjamison (talk • contribs) 15:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree. At least two-thirds (66%) of this article about obstetrics and gynecology is focused on transgender and non-binary care. I just edited the massive inclusive care section, and found that a lot of the mention of lesbian and bisexual women was not included in the sources. The sources actually say that lesbian and bisexual women have mostly the same gynecological and obstetric care needs as heterosexual women. That means that even more of the article is ONLY about transgender people. That is WP:UNDUE.--FeralOink (talk) 15:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "The sources actually say that lesbian and bisexual women have mostly the same gynecological and obstetric care needs as heterosexual women." Big surprise there, as their sexuality has no effect on their physiology. Dimadick (talk) 14:22, 27 May 2023 (UTC)