Talk:Online shopping/Archives/2012

Merging online
"* Pay by mobile phone" I took this line out because I couldn't confirm it, I know you can use a mobile phone to pay by credit card but I couldnt find anything about "pay by mobile phone" The famous one click patent isnt so famous. There is no page for it alone and the link just went to amazon.com. I changed it to go to the patent section of amazon.com then noticed the red link, so maybe it should be unlinked entirely? Cherylb 20:56, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

84.240.58.91 22:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Changed the date when eBay was founded and added a little bit more info from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay.

Changes:

Deleted: "1996: eBay was founded." in History section

Added: "eBay was founded by computer programmer Pierre Omidyar as AuctionWeb." to 1995 in History section

205.251.53.132 19:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Added age section about some on line store requiring customers to be at least 18 years old.

Name change
Should this page instead be at Online shopping rather than Online shop? It seems the article covers the wider topic. Plinkit 22:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. In addition, online shopping is common to the English language as a whole, which should be encouraged when it can be done without trouble. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Page moved, per request. Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
For further improvement, I would recommend some formatting changes: * Section headers should only have the initial word capitalized --Elonka 22:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Duplicated references should be combined via name tags (see WP:CITE)

Political agenda
Why is the "Customers" section written with a socialist slant? "The shopping landscape not only helps distract us from the enormous social segregation by race and class that the most privileged Americans find completely natural, it helps to reproduce this segregation." Hardly pertinent to the article.

Blakwyte (talk) 04:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * hmm, yes there also seems to be some remarkably dodgy comments about the genders in there, aparently men didn't shop for goods at all until online selling was developed and In addition, male shoppers are more independent when deciding on purchasing products because unlike women, they don’t necessarily need to see or try on the product. wtf?  That section at best is America specific if not total bull.  Anyone got any ideas what should be in that section before I take an axe to it?   -Hunting dog (talk) 08:39, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Why some shops demand the billing and shipping adresses to be the same?
why some stores will not senship the product to a different address than the one registered with the credit card company as the biliing address?--TiagoTiago (talk) 18:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

TiagoTiago asked a good question - perhaps we could expand this article with some more information on security? For example, we could discuss AVS (address verification services), and endpoint security concerns (like malicious software, keystroke loggers, etc).Greg-RSM (talk) 16:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Online Shopping History
I added historical data about the world's first recorded online shopper, which is verifiable, and the time and date of the world's first recorded B2B online shopping, which is also verifiable. Both posts were undone without explanation. I am new to Wiki and puzzled. Santanaquinta (talk) 07:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to the recent edit that (in the History section) changed "The first B2B was Thomson Holidays in 1981." to "The world's first recorded online shopper, Mrs Jane Snowball, 72, of Gateshead, England used this system in May 1984. The first B2B was Thomson Holidays which went live at 10.15am on March 2 1981 in Harlow, England."?
 * This article gets a fair amount of strange and superfluous information added (check the history for examples), so perhaps I was too ready to be critical of new material. At any rate, I reverted the above change because I thought it added detail that wasn't particularly helpful, and there was no indication that the new information (dropped into a sentence) was in fact supported by the two surrounding references. The previous sentence mentioned that the first pilot was in 1984, and the precise date and the name of the shopper didn't seem to add much encyclopedic value. By all means, add the information back if you like and we will see what other editors think. However, are you sure the information is verifiable? Johnuniq (talk) 09:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Online Shopping History : Historical Data
I think the historical data about the first B2C and first B2B are important for the following reasons. The Gateshead SIS system which produced the world's first online home shopper was a long-term funded research program led by Ross Davies [later Professor Ross Davies, founder of the Oxford Institute of Retail Management at Templeton College, Oxford and an e-tailling pioneer widely published on the subject]and funded by Tesco and the Gateshead Council. It was aimed primarily at researching the shopping habits of the less mobile and the socially disadvantaged. That it why the first online home shopper turned out to be 72 years old with a broken hip. The discovery of the first shopper was made in 2008 when a TV interview was found of her as she did her online shopping. The 'Mrs Snowball Interview'of May 1984 is at ITN Source, London. In May 2009 Gateshead Council organised a celebratory event to mark the 25th annniversary of her epic purchase. This can be found on the Gateshead.gov website under 'news.' Or just Google Mrs Snowball Gateshead. The journal referenced in the article has a photo of Mrs Snowball.

The data on the Thomson Holidays B2B in 1981 likewise was discovered in 2008. This system revolutionised the UK travel industry. It didn't begin in London but in a small town 40 miles north-east of London called Harlow. B2B had such a large impact it is worth noting the exact time and date, a defining moment. The detail can be found in the magazine 'Information Management' London Spring 1981.

Research continues into these and other early systems and no doubt other interesting snippets will emerge. It seems to me that our task is to give future researchers a good a start as we can without boring everyone else.

I have added a piece largely from 'electronic commerce' [September 2009] for the sake of consistency and to correct an error in a company name. The largely digitised Aldrich Archive at the University of Brighton, England is the source of much of the information. It has to be the most authoritative source to date for the early systems with good detail.

Santanaquinta (talk) 16:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC) Santanaquintas (talk) 18:44, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Unwarranted Censorship
On the 26th January 2010 the editor Flowanda removed a paragraph from the History section which covered the invention and early use of online shopping on the basis of the alleged adequacy of the sources. This editor has done similar things elsewhere. There seems to be an argument raging about whether a source has to be peer reviewed. The sentence left incidentally came from a peer-reviewed journal. This over-enthusiatic editing is very destructive. It comes from a mis-reading of Wiki policies. Have I missed something or does it only apply to non-US content?Santanaquintass (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:29, 28 January 2010 (UTC).
 * Extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources. You have provided none, and I cannot find any in my own searches. Source your extraordinary claims to significant news reporting in recognizable reliable sources, preferably with online links that can be easily checked by other editors and future readers. Aldricharchive.com is not an independent, third-party secondary source that can support all the claims you make in your edits, and the other sources you mentioned need to be checked by Wikipedia editors with access to archives. Flowanda | Talk 10:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Editing is not censorship. This discussion should be continued at Talk:Michael Aldrich. Johnuniq (talk) 10:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I have restored the history section. Please see Talk:Michael Aldrich and the Michael Aldrich article. The discussion continues.Santanaquintass (talk) 16:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect definition of e-commerce?
In the second sentence of the opening paragraph it states 'If an intermediary service is present the process is called electronic commerce' - I disagree with this distinction. In the common vernacular, any of the things mentioned in the first sentence ('[...] consumers directly buy goods, services etc. from a seller interactively in real-time without an intermediary service over the Internet') are classed as 'electronic commerce' (e-commerce) -- whether there is an intermediary service or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.69.4 (talk) 17:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree. Mikael Häggström (talk) 07:49, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Effects on environement
Hello, this work shows that online shopping can increase carbon emissions. Maybe, can we write something on environmental aspect of online shopping Pamputt (talk) 14:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Turkey?
Why is there an entire section devoted to "The position of Turkey on online shopping world"?

Merged Pages
If other pages are going to redirect here, shouldn't they be mentioned somewhere? Internet Distribution System(IDS) redirects to online shopping. It is reasonable to guess how they are connected, but it would be far more appropriate if it was mentioned as an alias for some part of the article or had its own sub-section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.17.226.129 (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2011 (UTC)