Talk:Ooty

cleanup
Unfortunately, this article still reads like a tourist web site, not like an encyclopedia article. Tom Radulovich 15:11, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I have a lot of information about the History of Ooty, but most of it is based upon my own research (only some of which is published) which may not be appropriate. Sikandarji 17:32, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Image of Ooty
The original thing is that OOTY and other surrounding places had completely lost it's goodness in terms of preserving nature. The money motivated activities completely destroyed these places. Now the most of the places are filled with concrete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrajutirupur (talk • contribs) 06:53, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Just added a high resolution image of tea gardens in Ooty. RMehra 06:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

More Cleanup
I changed tourism figures from lakhs to their numerary equivalents. Also added fahrenheit conversions next to temperature figures. --Rhrad 18:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.148.181.252 (talk) 16:53, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Misconceptions about Tea
The 2 pictures of Tea Gardens in Ooty are incorrect. They are actually both in neighbouring Coonoor. People who have visited Ooty will know that there are actually no tea gardens in Ooty, largely due to it being slightly too high in altitude. There are a few tea gardens on the way to Valley View on the Coonoor road, and others towards 10th mile and Glenmorgan. Most of the Tea fields in the Nilgiris are in Kotagiri and Coonoor. I will edit these pictures as soon as I can add new ones. Petkows 15:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC) petkows

Further Cleanup
I would agree strongly with Tom Radulovich's comments that this article reads like a tourist web site. I have attempted to clean up phrases like "A must see" and "It is very beautiful" etc. Also there was some ambiguity with the original size of the lake, though there are a number of references which will backup some of the info I have added.

I would like to dispute the fact that "Ketti Valley is the second longest in the world". If someone could substantiate on this, or back this up with at least another referece this would be useful. Whilst in Otty, you hear many guides telling you 'facts' such that it is the largest (or second largest) valley in the world, or widest, deepest etc. depending on who you hear the story from. How is valley length measured anyhow? Surely the Indus Valley, Grand Canyon, Death Valley (to cite a few) are all longer than this. I have edited this comment out for the time-being.

In addition, I feel it is not very good citing distances in hours rather than in physical length (km etc.). This is ambiguous as it depends on speed of travel etc. and I would encourage further edits once info becomes available.

I hope others can add to this and make this page more professional! Petkows 15:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)petkows

Transport Infrastructure
This page still reads like a tourist guide. For a start I decided to move some of the info I had previously put on the Ooty page on access roads into the Nilgiris District onto a new page at Nilgiri Ghat Roads. There are many reasons for this which I have posted in the discussion on that page. Petkows 13:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)petkows

Newspapers
Can anyone tell me which are the English newspapers based in Ooty or printed locally in Oooty? Also, if possible, their wesbites?

Dibyajyotighosh —Preceding comment was added at 16:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

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Coimbatore Airport
There is no need to constantly keep editing details on Coimbatore Airport. (User 203.221.44.107) There is a dedicated article on Coimbatore Airport already and a link should suffice. It is a fact that this is the nearest airport to Ooty for fixed wing aircraft. A particular emphasis (with bold) wants to be placed on the fact that it is now an international airport. Is this really necessary?

I have again cleaned up the last edit on this, and in my opinion until more details of the Ooty helicopter services begin this section should suffice for now.Petkows (talk) 15:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)petkows

Naming Conventions
Should the use of 'Ooty' throughout, be replaced with 'Udhagai' as this is the usual name for the city. Ooty is an historical (and now tourist) name 82.152.149.195 (talk) 12:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Translation into Chinese Wikipedia
The 16:39, 23 February 2008 117.197.192.240 version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.--Philopp (talk) 15:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Weather
The weather data is flawed. I have looked up the source and can find no references. Unless a new ice age has occured...Ooty does not ever dip to minus 25 nor does the temperature in April hover between -2C and -7C. Could someone correct this please. Petkows (talk) 11:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)petkows

Etymology
I cleaned up the language, as it was truly abysmal before. It had this stream-of-consciousness style, and there was this bit about the Toda village, "which was the place given to John Sullivan as a complimentary gift by the Todas and is now called as 'Old Ooty' where there stands the first ever house built by British till date," which did not seem appropriate for this section. If someone could make heads or tails of this snippet, it seems like it could be made use of elsewhere in the article. 3:23, 16 November 2010 (UTC) NotkerBiloba —Preceding unsigned comment added by NotkerBiloba (talk • contribs)

I just included Tamil and the phrase "other Indian languages" in the sentence explaining the meaning of the word Nilgiris. The word means Blue Mountains in almost all Indian Languages not just in Kannada and Badaga (which were the only ones mentioned earlier). — Preceding unsigned comment added by DisseminateTruth (talk • contribs) 10:07, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 22:00, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Ootacamund → Ooty – The name of the town is mostly known as Ooty in the English language. The name Ooty is almost always used even locally. Feel free to discuss. Thanks in advance! Yours faithfully, Kotak  kasut. 14:32, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose—it's just a local colloquialism and Ootacamund is the town's proper name in English. This is a bit like moving Los Angeles to LA or Birmingham to Brum. 137.205.222.193 (talk) 17:25, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. This is not the same at all, anonymous IP person. I'm just following the Wikipedia guidelines stated in WP:UCN. The official name of the town is actually Udagamandalam, in both English and Tamil. Ootacamund is an archaic name and is not even widely used now. The name Ooty still dominates as I have mentioned earlier. Even the official website of Ooty uses that name: Ooty Tourism. Also, try searching for 'Ooty' and 'Ootacamund' in Google or Yahoo search to get more idea of what I mean. Yours faithfully, Kotak  kasut . 19:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. Another official website maintained by the District Administration of the Nilgiris also uses the name "Ooty": OOTY. Yours faithfully, Kotak  kasut . 01:50, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. Ooty is the common name of the place. Ootacamund, though the supposed official name, is rarely used. Suraj  T  03:52, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Support: I was suprised to find the page at Ootacamund. Ooty is the more common name and should be kept as the article title. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 18:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Category Railway Station
Udhagamandalam / Ooty is a railway station. Station code is UAM. So I have added back catgeory railway station in Tamil Nadu. Please do not revert it. Jethwarp (talk) 06:56, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Even the article mentions about railway link as under :- ''Ooty is connected by a nightly connecting train service. Mettupalayam provides the interchange between 'The Nilgiri Passenger' NMR metre gauge service and the Nilgiri Express broad gauge service. The Nilgiri Mountain Railway (NMR) is one of the oldest mountain railways in India. The NMR was declared by the UNESCO as a World Heritage Site in July 2005. This connects Ootacamund with the town of Mettupalayam, at the foothills of the Nilgiri Mountains. It is the only rack railway in India, and uses the Abt system''

So I don't understand why it cannot be added to category of Railway Stations in Tamil Nadu ?????Jethwarp (talk) 06:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Ooty is not a railway station. It is a town. I wouldn't mind adding it to a category like Category:Towns with Railway stations in Tamil Nadu. I think you are getting me wrong here. Suraj  T  09:20, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I think you are getting it wrong. Firstly, there is no category like - Towns with Railway station is Tamil Nadu. Secondly, all towns having Railway Station are added to this category only. For your personal views you can not remove the category. If you feel you are right please create a consensus or start a discussion at proper forum. I am going to add back the category again. It is obvious that if the place has a railway station either it is a town or populated place. Jethwarp (talk) 09:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * If there are no categories like Towns with Railway station is Tamil Nadu, then you can create it and start adding to it. A mistake done many times doesn't mean it is the correct way to do it. I find it very hard to agree with you. I am well within my right to revert the error I notice in the article and you are well within your right to go to WP:DRN. Cheers. Suraj  T  10:52, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Official name of the town
The olden names 'Ooty' and 'Ootacamund' are commonly in use. But the new official name of the town is 'Udhagamandalam'. This is the name found in the Government records. Why can't the title of the article be changed to 'Udhagamandalam'? Praveenskpillai (talk) 22 December 2013 (UTC)

External links modified
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Proposed merge with List of schools in Ooty
List has just 5 notable entries and can very well be managed in the page Ooty. No need for a separate and exhaustive page.  Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  11:55, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

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Did Pandyas, Cholas and Cheras ever rule Nilgiris?
Hi All, With respect to the discussion I had with Magentic Manifestations at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Magentic_Manifestations&action=edit&section=136, I am creating this section to provide proofs for Pandyas, Cholas and Cheras having ruled the Nilgiris. The 2nd source above user provided 'http://www.ibef.org/download/decoding-the-nilgiris.pdf', doesn't mention anything concrete at all of Pandyas, Cholas or Cheras having ruled Nilgiris, rather than just saying that they do not deserve the credit for discovering Nilgiri hills. Regarding the 1st source provided - 'Gazetteers of India: Nilgiris District' by S K Sahu and Nilamani Senapati, I request anyone having the valid details to update the ISBN of this book if available and paste below the exact lines in page 866 of the book which clearly support the above subject/headline of discussion. User didn't paste the lines (citations) which can be considered as valid proof. If we fail to get the proof for the same, we can consider removing them from History section of Ooty article as per Wikipedia guidelines. Regards,--NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 16:23, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing it to discussion here. Firstly, the first source mentioned states "even the dynastic rulers—the Cheras, the Cholas, the Pandiyas, the Rashtrakutas, the Ganges, the Pallavas, the Kadambas and the Hoysalas—can be credited with discovering this jewel (refers to Nilgiris) in their crown" which means they have ruled the territory. Secondly, if you have put in some effort, you can find the second source which states, "The location of the Nilgiris is unique that it was in the tri-junction of ancient Tamil kingdoms of Cholas, Cheras and the Pandyas. Hence, it was under Cheras, Cholas or local chieftains at various...". Thirdly, if you read about these Tamil kingdoms, say for e.g. during reign of Raja Raja Chola and Rajendra Chola, the territory extended all the way up to Ganges from the South which means Nilgiris was part of it. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 11:24, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * 2nd source mentions 'Though the original inhabitants of the Nilgiris are the indigenous Toda tribe, not even the dynastic rulers—the Cheras, the Cholas, the Pandiyas, the Rashtrakutas, the Gangas, the Pallavas, the Kadambas and the Hoysalas—can be credited with discovering this jewel in their crown'. This doesn't prove their rule over Nilgiris. It says can't credit them for 'discovery'.
 * 1st source-'tri-junction' doesn't mean or justify their rule.
 * 3rd-Rule up to Ganga isn't a proof for ruling Nilgiris in the form of inscriptions, manuscripts, etc.NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 16:25, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi NitinBhargava2016, you can claim or assume whatever you want. Would want to tell you that the concern is about ruling the territory and not discovering some place in it. Requisite sources have been provided and the content will stay. Unless any other editors bring in some useful concerns, this discussion remains closed. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 08:37, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You can not conclude this discussion yourself. You can claim or assume as you like. When the question of discovering Nilgiris itself doesn't arise, then there's no point claiming that it was ruled by them! Nilgiris is at the tri-junction of Kerala, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka and not that of Chola, Pandya and Cheras. Cholas, Pandyas and Cheras were constantly fighting each other and never were all the 3 kingdoms powerful together. Their contemporary period was from 3rd century BCE-10th century CE. Also, from Gangas, Kadambas to Wodeyars, Kannada kingdoms ruled Nilgiris from 4th-18th centuries. In the period of gap, it was ruled by the tribes Todas, Kotas, Badagas and Kurumbas themselves. If at all Cheras or Cholas or Pandyas have ruled Nilgiris, they must have between 3rd century BCE-3rd century CE, but there is no proof for that as the Northern powers were more powerful in controlling these regions. Maurya, Satavahana, Chutus, Kalabhras (from Karnataka) and then Pallavas were strong during this period. It is a highly elevated (2.5kms above MSL), thickly forested region very tough to scale from plains of Tamil Nadu and Kerala which are at 0-0.4 kms above MSL. It was easily accessible to the Kannada Kingdoms above the plateau (0.5-1.5 kms above MSL) from the highlands. It was not worth the efforts and hence ignored or bypassed deliberately and not ruled by most of the kingdoms! There is no proof in the form of inscription or manuscript or writing. Hence, unverified information is not going to stay without proper citations and valid references. Happy to add 'Tamil kingdoms ruled Nilgiris' with valid references.
 * Hi JorisvS, request you to please help us out here. Can such unverified, un-established content stay on Wikipedia? Thanks,--NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 13:08, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia policy requires that claims can be verified: WP:V. Another core content policy is neutral point of view: NPOV. Any content that violates these core policies may be summarily removed. Part of verifiability is that claims made in the article must be claims that the sources also make directly. Moreover, the burden of evidence is on the editor who adds claims, not the one who challenges/removes them. --JorisvS (talk) 19:06, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! I've removed it. Regards,--NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 03:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

JorisvS, thanks for your comment. While I am well aware of the fact that the burden of proof lies on the editor, the content in the page has cited references and shall remain unless the source explicitly does not state the same. If a user (in this case NitinBhargava2016) argues simply for the sake of argument and does says, "he doesn't trust the source" does not mean the content will be removed, as it is well within guidelines to stay and the editor who contends the same needs to provide with a proper reason as to why it should not stay. Also, the user is trying to add content related to Kannada language and people which he had done in articles such as Adoni, Hindupur etc. Vin09 can justify to the same which you can also see in the talk page of the user. I believe the user is trying to contend the fact simply because it states Tamil kingdoms, going on to delete it with no consensus and adding some event in history related to Kannada which is insignificant to the article. If there is still an issue, I would suggest we take it to Administrator's notice board and let one of the administrator's solve the same. Also, NitinBhargava2016 Please note that JorisvS never said you can remove the content, he merely stated the policy and please pay attention to what he has written as the user's reply does not mean you had a consensus on the same. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 15:35, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello Magentic Manifestations, JorisvS clearly says the onus is on the editor who adds contents and not the challenger! It seems you are too interested in adding un-sourced contents related to Tamil, their kingdoms, Coimbatore city, vandalising Bangalore city's per capita income related articles as is clearly evident from your edits, starting and continuing edit wars, etc., Please stop it here. None of your sources claim 'Cheras, Cholas and Pandyas ruled the Nilgiris' with dates and artefacts to prove them. Not just me, no Wikipedian will trust or accept this! I don't hesitate adding facts, truth and referenced content whatever it may be unlike you adding Tamil as it suits your likes. The citations I've added themselves prove my edits to the entire Wikipedia community. No need of any user to justify that. :) Removing 'Tamil Kingdoms' until one of the administrators from the Administrator's notice board resolves this. Please do not revert it again (unless with citations and valid references clearly stating their rule over Nilgiris, 'discover jewel', 'tri-junction', 'south India to Ganges stuff' with no inscriptions — such crap proofs not acceptable at Wiki). Hi JorisvS, can you please help us take this issue to the the Administrator's notice board? Thanks--NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 17:43, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Lies lies again! you never took the issue to the noticeboard and reverted edits saying it has been taken. I have raised it in the notice board and until the issue is resolved, the article remains status quo as it began. First Mind your language and please don't speak like an expert on wiki (referring to crap sources)! Be polite and point out where there are discrepancies or flouting of rules. To add, you have a history being warned by multiple users for similar issues. (Its a joke that you point to Coimbatore, as it was elevated to GA recently and shows your ignorance!). Seeing your history, you had pointed that "The official versions of Indian census of some states show very misguiding figures or facts" and you have disputed official census as a source in the page Tamil language(Talk:Tamil). On the involvement of any neutral editor/administrator, will re-initiate the discussion. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 11:02, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Please mind your language. I was banking on JorisvS to take this issue to the Administrator's notice board as in above request. I am polite and pointed out clearly all the errors, erroneous assumptions, discrepancies and flouting of rules. 'Crap' means not ​useful, nonsense or bad quality. Assuming 'discover jewel', 'tri-junction', 'south India to Ganges stuff' as equal to 'rule' is 'nonsense'. This is not an abuse. Don't talk about my history. It is all referenced content and points to flaws and false information. A source can't simply be trusted because it claims to represent government's census which may again be challenged. Map was pretending to represent Government census. Nothing is holy. Your parochialism in removing or trying to erase the Kannada history of Nilgiris is crystal clear to all! An article being elevated doesn't take away the biased acts of past, both of which are unrelated. NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 13:17, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Please don't repeat what I am trying to say. You had reverted edits claiming that it has been raised in the notice board whereas in the first place, you had asked some other user to do it and never cared to check whether it has been done. This shows you are more eager to revert edits rather than resolution here. First using adjectives such as "non-sense", "crap" are all qualifying your individual feelings and has nothing to do with quality of the sources. Please quote specific wiki policy where in the sources are not acceptable. I had re-iterated that Wikipedia is not a place where you copy paste from other sources and it is a collection of information derived/supported by sources. I never wanted to quote your history here if it was unrelated to the incident, as most of your edits in Wikipedia have been on similar lines. Finding a Kannada stone inscription is rather insignificant in the history of Ooty and I never reverted edits on Kannada kingdoms ruling Ooty. You are the one who are hell-bent on removing "Tamil kingdoms", while Nilgiris have been under the rule of Cheras, Cholas or Pandyas for centuries, probably portraying your hatred towards "Tamil". Sorry that I didn't notify you specifically on the link on the administrator's noticeboard where you can give your comments as I assumed you would check the noticeboard yourself. Here you go, please leave your comments there:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 05:12, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I used that adjective in the sense of 'not useful', only after I had repeatedly clarified the reasons as explained above from beginning and you were not ready to acknowledge it. My edits in Wikipedia are on which lines is completely my choice and should not bother anyone. I agree that finding a Kannada Veeragal stone inscription is more related to history of Nilgiris, hence this will shift to Nilgiris article. 'Nilgiris have been under the rule of Cheras, Cholas or Pandyas for centuries', seriously? If any article/source states so, then historians and scholars won't trust it at all for its poor quality. I've explained several times the cause as to why this is an assumption to suit one's tastes and not a solid evidence. In fact one can add to every district of Tamil Nadu and Kerala that they were ruled by various Kannada kingdoms - Kadamba, Ganga, Nolambas, Hoysala, Vijayanagar, Wodeyar, etc., at different times which has concrete evidence - inscriptions, manuscripts, etc., I love all languages - Hindi, Kannada, Tulu, Tamil, Telugu, Marathi, Konkani, etc., and the question of hatred doesn't arise. Thanks. NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 06:49, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Now we are having some talk. Please add the part which you are referring to regarding the inscription also in Nilgiris if found appropriate as the area referred to as submerged (Bhavani Sagar dam) is about 100kms from Ooty. It is not significant to the history of ooty, which is what I having been saying from the begininning. Your edits are always your choice, which would have never been dragged here unless it was not related to context at hand and I would never do it like you did just for the sake of dragging it. You are still confused on how the ruling of a territory is defined, if an area is under a occupation of a kingdom and even if the king/kingdom is unaware of a mountain/hill in its territory where tribes have been living, it is still considered to be ruled by the kingdom. Foe example, if there are some inhabited areas in Andaman where tribes have been living and Indian government is unaware, it still forms a part of India. Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 13:48, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

The definition of ruling a kingdom since ancient period until British conquest is entirely different from present government administration/rule. If the invading kingdom was not even aware(!) of the existence of Nilgiris or the tribes/people living there, their administration or rule over there (in the form of taxation, building tanks, lakes, issuing land grants, etc.,) is said to be totally absent, null and void. Hence, we can't claim that still they ruled such inaccessible naturally protected 'Evergreen Jewel' between the high hill ranges of Eastern and Western ghats and the steep Moyar and Bhavani river gorges and their numerous tributaries. Indian authority over Andaman is recognised internationally, hence even if the Indian government is unaware of some tribes, it still is the recognised ruler there. (Ex: It issues tourist permit to people visiting Andamans). NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 15:41, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You had yourself stated that "Nilgiris was ruled from starting to 18th c. CE". Guess you are referring to British taking over the same? The same principle of Andaman applies here as well as other kingdoms accepted sovereignty over the entire lands within the stretch (who refuted would have entered into a war) and access was controlled by the one who had the territory (similar to passports). Also, it was not that emperors were not aware of the same as the source you quoted regarding Silappathikaram states that Cheras were aware of the territory. Also, the source which I pointed out states that it has been under the rule of various Chera, Chola and other chieftains over the years which clearly points to chieftains ruling and reporting to the emperor which was the case in historical times. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 04:50, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Silappathikaram says Chera king Senguttuvan was aware of Nilgiris and he witnessed the dance of the Kannadigas there, but source doesn't say about his rule or conquest or annexation of Nilgiris. Rule of Nilgiris by highland kingdoms from starting-18th c CE is documented, hence it is not possible that it was also ruled by Cheras and Cholas for centuries. There is no evidence of any Nilgiri chieftain reporting to any Chera or Chola king. Your source doesn't say Nilgiris was under the rule of Chola, Chera and other chieftains over the years. NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 06:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Magentic Manifestations, I have found reliable proof for Cholas rule over Nilgiris. I have updated the DRN's Ooty section. Please update your viewpoint. Thanks,—NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 15:02, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

RfC: Is there concrete proof for Chera and Pandya rule over Nilgiris in the Ooty article's History section?
Should the "History" section in the Ooty article contain 'various Tamil kingdoms ruled over Nilgiris' which include even Cheras and Pandyas for whose rule over Nilgiris, there is hardly any concrete proof in the form of inscriptions/manuscripts/works indicating ruler, date, area of Nilgiris ruled, etc.? NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 16:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC) Concrete historical proof for Chola (native Tamil kingdom) and other Kannada kingdoms' rule over Nilgiris is available. Just a line in any gazetteer or book like - 'Nilgiris was at the tri-junction of Cholas, Cheras and Pandyas, hence Cheras or local chieftains ruled over Nilgiris at various periods', won't suffice as a concrete proof. It looks merely to be the gut-feeling of the author without any historical evidence to substantiate, rather than history. Regards, NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 16:08, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the cite could note the nature of the source (for instance, "from a gazetteer"), or could say that "historians have not reached consensus on this," if it is disputed. The issue of kingdoms is significant; thanks for bringing this up.Parkwells (talk) 01:04, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * In other articles there are references to Nilgiris District having been extensively studied. What do reliable academic histories say about this period?Parkwells (talk) 01:08, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You say above, "Concrete historical proof for Chola (native Tamil kingdom) and other Kannada kingdoms' rule over Nilgiris is available." If you know of good sources, please add them to the article on this issue.Parkwells (talk) 01:10, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Coming here from the Feedback request service, I'm not sure this is an RFC to which uninvolved users can usefully contribute. I'm not sure this should have been labelled as an RFC, to be honest. I sha'n't bother involving myself further. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 13:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi OwenBlacker, Please put your valuable comments on this topic as its a very important point of history.

Hi Parkwells, Thanks for your valuable inputs. Will add reference shortly. Reliable academic sources mention Kannada kingdoms and Cholas, but not Pandyas. Thanks,-NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 20:40, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I have no understanding of the topic, sorry. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 21:17, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Please refer below article which clearly indicates boundaries between Hoysalas and Pandyas in 13th century CE. This clearly is far away from Nilgiris. Also, map of Pandya dynasty wiki article is extremely exaggerated! If you are convinced, please go ahead and make the change in Ooty history section by replacing Tamil kingdoms with Cholas for now. Can add Cheras if reliable proof is there, but definitely not Pandyas. If not, please let me know if I can do the change. NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 17:44, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Demographics

I was informed in 1971 that Ootacamund comprised a significant mixed race Anglo- Indian population. Is this still apparent? Does the Indian census currently detail this element by locality?---8MAR2017 Clive Sweeting

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Problem with record temps
In the text it says the record high was 25 C or 77 F but in the table with record per month, there are several months with 80+ F (don't remember the celsius).

I'm sure it's just a matter of sources but the table doesn't seem to be sourced TiddiesTiddiesTiddies (talk) 20:57, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Also I have no idea why there is a source attached to what I said TiddiesTiddiesTiddies (talk) 20:57, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Ooty town vs. Nilgiris district
This article on Ooty should describe the town. However, it contains detailed descriptions and photographs of tourist attractions in the entire Nilgiris district. I propose that these be deleted/moved to the Nilgiris district article with only a brief mention in the Ooty article in a sub-section "Places in the vicinity" under section "Places of Interest". Some of these attractions have their own articles, e.g. Mudumalai National Park and Mukurthi National Park. --Tagooty (talk) 09:35, 12 June 2021 (UTC)