Talk:Operation Ivy

Nuclear Test
Excuse the massive rewrite. The Greenhouse/George blast was the first US Thermonuclear test. Mike was second. I added the chart for consistency with the other test articles. Paul, in Saudi


 * Let's say it was the first hydrogen bomb test using a Teller-Ulam configuration. That's easier than saying "first thermonuclear test" or even "first hydrogen bomb" or other more ambiguous wordings. --Fastfission 02:07, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Except that Mike was not a bomb! I have followed Hansen's book, in describing it as the first "successful" fusion device - i.e. one which derived a significant fraction of its power from thermonuclear reactions. It's true that it was the first Teller-Ulam configuration device, but that's not going to mean a lot to ordinary readers. "First successful fusion device" is what its real notability is for the average reader. Noel (talk) 8 July 2005 20:25 (UTC)


 * I still don't think that's very clear. I've changed it to: "was notable for being the first successful test of a multi-megaton thermonuclear weapon design (the Teller-Ulam design), usually considered the world's first hydrogen bomb test." Whether it is technically a bomb or not (it immediately says that it wasn't deployable in the next sentence, so I don't think anyone will be mislead), it is what one means when they say the first H-bomb test. --Fastfission 21:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a page for the band Operation Ivy? Alkaline Trio Rocks 19:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There is and it is linked to at the top of the article. --Fastfission 21:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)I added a Trivia section to this, hope it's OK.

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Sampling mission
I created the 'Sampling mission' subsection in the article to highlight this subject and made some small improvements in the text, mostly moving things around. Afterward I noticed that the same material is covered in the Ivy Mike article; with the exception of the mention of the USAF units that article does a better job than this one does. I would like to propose that this text be deleted from this article. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 15:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Background section
Hi Aphis99! I looked over your recent additions to Operation Ivy. I think one of them needs improvement, and I noted some in my comment when I changed it. However, I refrained from making major changes, other than moving them. I think your addition to the opening text actually pointed out the need for a Background section, so I created that and moved your text there. Let's improve it!

The other new text really belongs in the Sampling mission subsection, and I moved it there for now (but please note my above proposal to delete this subsection). I used it to replace the rather anemic text I had written. Again, I think this could be improved (i.e., what is the significance of the two Plutonium isotopes? I had removed that because it was not explained. You put it back. OK, fine with me, but it really needs more explanation).

Thanks!Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 01:32, 14 February 2022 (UTC) Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 01:35, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Operation Ivy in Popular Culture
Added a popular culture section that explains how Operation Ivy is a project the player can build in the video game Civilization VI to unlock thermonuclear devices. DontTakeOurCampbell (talk) 04:26, 20 April 2024 (UTC)