Talk:Operation Prosperity Guardian

Keir Starmer is now the leader of the uk and John healey is defence minister
As of today 68.199.243.137 (talk) 22:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Seconded, can someone with clearance make that change? SirShaunIV (talk) 21:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 July 2024

 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 20:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I believe I was exceedingly clear, including writing the exact sections, intaking multiple rounds of feedback, and including well sourced content. I believe I also specifically noted where, and why the section should be added. 173.79.229.156 (talk) 17:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Criticism
War Powers Criticism Operation Prosperity Guardian continued beyond the 60-day limit set by the War Powers Resolution without Congressional authorization, in violation of the Act, as noted by Michigan State assistant professor Shireen Al-Adeimi. The War Powers Resolution stipulates that any armed forces engaged in hostilities outside the territory of the United States, its possessions and territories without a declaration of war or specific statutory authorization, must cease operations within 60 days unless Congress declares war, grants an extension, or is unable to meet as a result of an armed attack on the United States.

Representative Ro Khanna, the first member of congress to succeed in passing a War Powers Resolution, published a statement critical of Operation Prosperity Guardian, writing "in the narrow case where self-defense requires immediate action. But in the absence of such a national emergency, the president must seek authorization from Congress."

US Airstrike Criticism Following the Yemen strikes Cori Bush, a Missouri congresswoman, called the strikes "illegal" and told Biden, "stop the bombing and do better by us". Oregon Representative Val Hoyle stated ''"These airstrikes have not been authorized by Congress."  "The Constitution is clear. Congress has the sole authority to authorize military involvement in overseas conflicts. Every president must first come to Congress and ask for military authorization, regardless of part."  Washington state representative Pramila Jayapal stated the strikes were an "unacceptable violation of the Constitution" and "Article 1 requires that military action be authorized by Congress."''

President Donald Trump wrote on Truth Social "So, let me get this straight. We’re dropping bombs all over the Middle East, AGAIN (where I defeated ISIS!), and our Secretary of Defense, who just went missing for five days, is running the war from his laptop in a hospital room." President Biden is the fourth president to bomb Yemen. 173.79.229.156 (talk) 07:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think a separate Criticism section is necessary when the Reactions section exists; and the numerous quotations seems unnecessary. I think it would be best to just say something like "The Biden administration has received bipartisan criticism..." – macaddct1984 (talk &#124; contribs) 14:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I have updated my request to align to this feedback, but must note that I find the suggestions went to too far and in my view would cause euphemistic concern, and I would also call attention to the reactions section including repeated quotes from unidentified protestors, a section which has limited to no public official commentary, outside from a provably false claim from USCENTCOM with no counter point. Please include this section at the start of the Reactions section, as it is the most accurate English language depiction of the topic given the given the importance, and identification, of individuals listed.

Reactions
War Powers Criticism Operation Prosperity Guardian continued beyond the 60-day limit set by the War Powers Resolution without Congressional authorization, in violation of the Act, as noted by Michigan State assistant professor Shireen Al-Adeimi. The War Powers Resolution stipulates that any armed forces engaged in hostilities outside the territory of the United States, its possessions and territories without a declaration of war or specific statutory authorization, must cease operations within 60 days unless Congress declares war, grants an extension, or is unable to meet as a result of an armed attack on the United States.

Representative Ro Khanna, the first member of congress to succeed in passing a War Powers Resolution, published a statement critical of Operation Prosperity Guardian, writing "in the narrow case where self-defense requires immediate action. But in the absence of such a national emergency, the president must seek authorization from Congress."

US Airstrike Criticism Following the Yemen strikes Cori Bush, a Missouri congresswoman, called the strikes "illegal". Oregon Representative Val Hoyle stated ''"The Constitution is clear. Congress has the sole authority to authorize military involvement in overseas conflicts. Every president must first come to Congress and ask for military authorization, regardless of part."  Washington state representative Pramila Jayapal stated the strikes were an "unacceptable violation of the Constitution." President Donald Trump wrote on Truth Social comments critical of the Yemen airstrikes. President Biden is the fourth president to bomb Yemen.

173.79.229.156 (talk) 16:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I could see the two proposed additional paragraphs under a new section or sub-section titled "alleged unconstitutionality" or some such. They seem well cited and pertinent to me. There needs to be some cleanup to eliminate the inline external links. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Should there be some mention that the War Powers Resolution does have some constitutional concerns and has been generally considered as ignored by most, if not all presidents since it was past? Interesting article here about the this operation and the War Powers Resolution. Another article with congress raising the concerns highlighted by the IP's suggestion.  There's a couple of source issues with the suggestion - Daily Mail needs to go.  The second para is basically a press-release, and maybe better to find a source with more than just quotes, but a more nuanced exploration of the Legislative branch vs Executive branch tug of war happening here.  Ravensfire  (talk) 19:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Whoops, missed that Daily Mail citation. You're right of course. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Ravensfire, the Daily Mail citation is a literal quote, it is not editorial. I have updated the link to the Politico article, regardless of this fact, as it contains direct links to her statements as well as the other quotes. Regarding whataboutism related to War Powers as being ignored by most Presidents, this is a reductive argument which attempts to invalidate a host of legislators formal opinions and US Federal Law. Your argument does not cite any single stance whereby the US engaged in a seven month military engagement, to say nothing of one with billions of dollars expended, thousands of munitions used, and casualties. By your logic we should not write anything related to any violations of US Law simply out it being done before. It is an concerning and lackluster viewpoint antithetical to Wikipedia in my view. Additionally, the claim is false as in 2019 congress employed War Powers to attempt to end the bombing of the very same nation we are discussing here which was led in part by Ro Khanna.

Bri, the section on Ro Khanna has now been nested properly without segmentation, the statement has been slightly shortened, and a wiki-link has been removed. The Politico article also references all quotes with direct links to the statements, and as such one external hyperlink was removed.

I have additionally altered the titling and will re-submit based on the request as a separate subsection "Alleged Unconstitutionality"

173.79.229.156 (talk) 17:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 July 2024
Per reviewer Bri, with all requested edits completed.

Alleged Unconstitutionality
War Powers Criticism Operation Prosperity Guardian continued beyond the 60-day limit set by the War Powers Resolution without Congressional authorization, in violation of the Act, as noted by Michigan State assistant professor Shireen Al-Adeimi. The War Powers Resolution stipulates that any armed forces engaged in hostilities outside the territory of the United States, its possessions and territories without a declaration of war or specific statutory authorization, must cease operations within 60 days unless Congress declares war, grants an extension, or is unable to meet as a result of an armed attack on the United States. Representative Ro Khanna, published a statement critical of Operation Prosperity Guardian, writing "in the narrow case where self-defense requires immediate action. But in the absence of such a national emergency, the president must seek authorization from Congress." A bi-partisan letter was delivered to President Biden on January 26, 2024, signed by twenty-seven sitting members of congress.

US Airstrike Criticism Following the Yemen strikes Cori Bush, a Missouri congresswoman, referenced the strikes as "illegal." Oregon Representative Val Hoyle stated ''"The Constitution is clear. Congress has the sole authority to authorize military involvement in overseas conflicts. Every president must first come to Congress and ask for military authorization, regardless of part." '' Washington state representative Pramila Jayapal stated the strikes were an "unacceptable violation of the Constitution" President Donald Trump wrote on Truth Social comments critical of the Yemen airstrikes. President Biden is the fourth president to bomb Yemen. 173.79.229.156 (talk) 08:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)