Talk:Oren Ben-Dor

Moving and redirects
Mea culpa for wrong capitalization of his name! Once I figure out how you move now a days, I'll do it. Plus make some redirects. CarolMooreDC (talk) 01:09, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Leading Israeli Philosopher
Carol, would you object to removing the "leading Israeli philosopher" quote? It gives the false impression that there's a consensus in the academic community that he should be viewed in this light. As I mention in Ben-Dor's Article for Deletion page, the only one who seems to regard Ben-Dor in this exalted manner is the columnist you quoted. Moreover, Google has no other references to Ben-Dor as an Israeli philosopher of any consequence, let alone the leading one.Scaleshombre (talk) 18:27, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The usual alternative, which I should have employed originally but working fast, is to say WHO says he is and then people can judge for themselves. But the first paragraph might not be the best place to put it. But since you are brand new to wikipedia, you may not be aware of that. CarolMooreDC (talk) 19:30, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Neutrality Concern
Carol, I appreciate your willingness to revise the "leading philosopher" quote by identifying the source inline. (It might be more precise to cite it as "Tom McGurk, a columnist for...") Nonetheless, the quote still gives undue weight to Ben-Dor. Rather than delete it and start an edit war, I added a neutrality flag.

Naturally, the problem will become moot if consensus emerges to delete the article. But in the interim, it's even more crucial to keep it balanced. Given that there are no reliable sources either backing or contradicting McGurk's claim, I'm not sure how to add balance without slipping into POV. (Can we say "The reasons for McGurk's effusive praise are unclear"?)

Bottom line is that McGurk seems to be engaging in sheer puffery, and his quote damages the article's neutrality. Scaleshombre (talk) 19:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Removed back then; forgot to mention. CarolMooreDC (talk) 01:37, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Some sources of potential info/commentary
Noted from deletion discussion here. To remind me in future or in case someone else wants to add more. ''There are reviews of his books in good academic sources, including Butler, B. E. 2002. "Oren Ben-Dor, Constitutional Limits and the Public Sphere". Philosophy in Review. 22: 92-94., Harrison, R. 2003. "Oren Ben-Dor, Constitutional Limits and the Public Sphere: A Critical Study of Bentham's Constitutionalism". Utilitas. 15: 255-257, Webb, Julian. 2009. "Thinking About Law: In Silence with Heidegger - By Oren Ben-Dor". Legal Studies. 29, no. 2: 341-345. and Wolcher, Louis E. 2009. "Review of Thinking About Law in Silence with Heidegger". The Modern Law Review. 72, no. 6: 1035-1044. (Refs from Worldcat at .'' More research could be done in Google Scholar as well to see what is specifically by or about him. CarolMooreDC (talk) 01:37, 27 December 2010 (UTC)