Talk:Our Lady of Suyapa

please explain here why you think this article needs cleaning up--Squiquifox 02:01, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC) cleaned up anyway, and clean-up removed Squiquifox 02:11, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC).

Probably just issues of over-personification of an inanimate object and some language issues. It would be nice if specific rather then general issues were enumerated when placing a cleanup-notice.- Nunh-huh 02:21, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Mostly that. There were also some unclear areas, and it was missing some basic formatting (categories, sections, etc). The cleanup template is really just a way of getting an experienced editor to look it over, and catch all those minor errors that are so easy to miss (I know I have a blind spot when it comes to some of my typos). I do still have a few questions on the content, which I can't fix since I'm not familiar with the topic: And two things that might be worth expanding: But good work! 68.81.231.127 14:00, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * How can a statue be the patron saint of a country? (is it a statue of the patron saint of Honduras? perhaps Virgin Mary? this probably should be explained, since patron saints are usually people, not inanimate objects)
 * If the labourer didn't look at it, how did he know it was the same object?
 * How did he know a 6 cm statue was a virgin? (maybe "of the Virgin Mary?")
 * What is her name day? Is it an official holiday, and does it have a name?
 * Any detail (dates, summary) on the two instances when she was stolen and recovered?


 * The Virgin of Suyapa, or "Virgin" is the statue itself, and it is the statue that is the patron saint of Honduras. She is a statue of the Virgin Mary, though the way you know that is through the use of religious iconography in her dress and surroundings.  The statue is a saint because of the many miraculous cures attributed to it.  As for how the laborer knew it was the same statue, you're mistake is expecting the story to be logical and consistant.  I believe he doesn't look at the statue in any of the versions of the story until the next morning.  How could there be two different statues under him? Finally, she is the patron saint of Honduras because in 1925, Pope Pius XIII declared her the patroness of Honduras.  Its often not just the saint, but a particular image of that saint that is the patron of a place, country, etc.  In this case we're dealing with Mary. Rsheptak 23:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The statue is an image of the Blessed Virgin Mary prayed to under the devotional title of Our Lady of Suyapa. The statue is a representation of Mary, who is the patroness, but it itself, as rightly noted above, is an inanimate object, and therefore, not patroness of anything. The statue is not a saint. Any miracles are attributed to the intercessory prayers of the Virgin invoked under this title. Veneration paid to the statue is understood to be directed to the person represented thereby. (I know it's an old comment, but I thought it necessary to clarify some misinformation.) Mannanan51 (talk) 08:17, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Christian mythology?
User:Str1977 has methodically gone through articles included in the Category:Christian mythology removing them. This article was one of those removed.Perhaps not in the interests of the non-indoctrinated Wikipedia reader? I have no opinion in this particular case myself. --Wetman 09:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Even if I grant User:Str1977 their belief that this is Christian mythology, that's no reason to remove it from Wikipedia. Rsheptak 23:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Minor mistakes
The article on the Virgin of Suyapa contained minor mistakes. It had listed Pope Pius XII as naming the Virgin "Patron Saint" of Honduras in 1925. Pius XII did not become Pope until 1939. Pius XI named the Virgin of Suyapa as Patroness of Honduras, not "Patron Saint." The Wikipedia article on "veneration" gives concise ditinctions between latria (honor due to God alone), dulia (honor due to saints and angels), and hyper-dulia (honor owed to solely the Blessed Mother). While in some "low" Anglican churches the Blessed Virgin Mary is referred to as "Saint Mary," this combination of terms in not normally found in Roman Catholicism. As such, the term "patron saint" cannot be applied to the Virgin of Suyapa. As an example - St. George is the Patron Saint of England, but our Lady of Walsingham is the Patroness of England. Loyolalaw98 (talk) 22:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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