Talk:Out of the Game

German Rolling Stone review
Citation needed? Isn't it enough that I wrote that it is the April 2012 issue of that magazine and gave the name of the reviewer? It's on page 67, if that helps. The review is not online. With this data it is certainly verifiable, isn't it?--Sylvia Anna (talk) 15:50, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The sentence did not have an inline citation following the claim. The page number does help. I added the "cn" template as a reminder to re-format later. Thanks for discussing! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:36, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Personnel
I'd like to add the track-by-track personnel to the article. What's the best way to do this in the format that the article is in now? Here is the data by track number. (For reference, I got this from the liner notes booklet.)

1. Rufus Wainwright (l-voc, ac-g) Homer Steinweiss (d) Nick Movshon (b) Thomas Brenneck (el-g) Victor Axelrod (p, synth) Kevin Keys, Angee Blake, Charysse Blackman (b-voc)

2. Rufus Wainwright (l-voc, ac-g) Homer Steinweiss (d) Nick Movshon (b, perc) Thomas Brenneck (el-g) Victor Axelrod (p, synth) Ian Hendrickson-Smith (bs) Stuart Bogie (ts) Michael Leonhart (tp, cor) Kevin Keys, Angee Blake, Charysse Blackman (b-voc)

3. Rufus Wainwright (l-voc, ac-g) Homer Steinweiss (d) Nick Movshon (b, perc) Thomas Brenneck (el-g) Victor Axelrod (p, synth) Ian Hendrickson-Smith (bs) Stuart Bogie (ts) Michael Leonhart (tp, cor) Kevin Keys, Angee Blake, Charysse Blackman (b-voc)

4. Rufus Wainwright (l-voc, synth) Homer Steinweiss (d) Nick Movshon (b, perc) Nels Cline (el-g) Thomas Bartlett (el-p) Kevin Keys, Angee Blake, Charysse Blackman, Andrew Wyatt (b-voc)

5. Rufus Wainwright (l-voc) Homer Steinweiss (d) Nick Movshon (b) Thomas Brenneck (el-g) Thomas Bartlett (p) Ian Hendrickson-Smith (bs) Stuart Bogie (ts) Michael Leonhart (flg, mellophone) Andrew Wyatt (b-voc)

6. Rufus Wainwright (l-voc, synth, p) Mark Ronson (d-prog) Victor Axelrod (p, org) Anthony Rossomando (g)

7. Rufus Wainwright (l-voc) Nick Movshon (d) Mark Ronson (b) Nick Zinner (el-g) Thomas Bartlett (p, synth, org) Rose Elinor Dougall (b-voc)

8. Rufus Wainwright (l-voc, p) Homer Steinweiss (d) Nick Movshon (b) Thomas Brenneck (el-g, ac-g, uke)

9. Rufus Wainwright (l-voc) Homer Steinweiss (d) Nick Movshon (b) Thomas Brenneck (el-g) Victor Axelrod (p) Thomas Bartlett (el-p, synth) Martha Wainwright (b-voc)

10. Rufus Wainwright (l-voc) Homer Steinweiss (d) Nick Movshon (b, perc) Thomas Brenneck (el-g) Sean Lennon (ac-g) Victor Axelrod (synth)

11. Rufus Wainwright (l-voc, p, synth) Homer Steinweiss (d) Nick Movshon (b, perc) Thomas Brenneck (el-g) Victor Axelrod (synth) Kevin Keys, Angee Blake, Charysse Blackman (b-voc)

12. Rufus Wainwright (l-voc, ac-g) Thomas Bartlett (p, synth) Anna McGarrigle (acc) Loudon Wainwright III, Martha Wainwright, Jenni Muldaur, Lucy Wainwright Roche, Sloan Wainwright, Chaim Tannenbaum (b-voc) John Angus Smith (piper) David Budge (d)

Dan Hewins (talk) 15:00, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for providing this information. See Personnel section at WikiProject Albums' "Album article style guide" for details. The current personnel is pretty standard, but track numbers provide additional information. For example, Lucy Wainwright Roche'e entry would become "Lucy Wainwright Roche – backing vocals (12)"... etc. If you can't or don't want to add this additional detail I am happy to help in the future (right now I am concentrating on article prose but would add Personnel details before taking to GAN). -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:12, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Tour
The table with the individual tour dates should be deleted. It's incomplete, subject to change and for it to make any sense at all would have to be updated again and again throughout the year. And there is just no need for a complete concert list in the article. It just makes the article crowded. --Sylvia Anna (talk) 14:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC) P.S.: See also WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_guide
 * My thinking is that the tour section should be split into a new article specifically dedicate to the tour. There are plenty of similar articles/lists. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:48, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If that's legitimate. But then you should do it very soon or park the list somewhere else until you can do it. --Sylvia Anna (talk) 22:15, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Music video: "Bitter Tears"
-- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2014/04/02/rufus-wainwright-bitter-tears-video/7183187/

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