Talk:Owain mab Urien

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I'm going to create a second page specifically for Owain as a literary character in the near future. Does anyone have any suggestions as what to title it? I think the best bet would be either Yvain or Ywain, but Sir Owain or Owain (legend} would work (though a bit clunky}. I'll create the page in the next couple of days.

Army of Ravens?
I found the following note on the Web:"In the Dream of Rhonaby, Owein ap Urien has an army of ravens, which rally at the raising of a standard." - Is this the same Owein that this page refers to? And if so, could someone add the story behind this? --Steipe 00:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

It is the same Owein. The literary exploits of this figure are discussed at Ywain, including the Dream of Rhonabwy.--Cúchullain t / c 01:29, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Date of death
There is no proof, and considerable scholarly doubt about the dates of both Owain and Urien, and some valid arguments for Urien to have outlived Owain - but I emphasise that there's no proof, and likely never will be. 2600:6C55:6D00:109B:A8E1:4E3A:F460:763E (talk) 02:35, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Kentigern was born c518, so Owain must have been born before 505 and so Urien before 485 (more likely Owain c502x3 and Urien 475x80). It is therefore preposterous to propose his assassination c590. The Siege of Lindisfarne could not have been after 550. The Battle of Alt Clut Ford (which does not need to be at the Rock, the whole kingdom took its name from the rock) was c547 (ie immediately on Ida's usurpation). This puts the battle of Gwen Ystrad c548.

When Urien died is a bit more problematic. Born before 505 he is unlikely to have lasted beyond 580 - and given that he was killed probably more like 565. Freuchie (talk) 00:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)