Talk:PBS Kids/Archive 1

YOU FORGOT ABOUT THEODORE TUGBOAT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Tugboat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.169.203 (talk) 17:56, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

PBS Kids Channel
An anon tried to move this to PBS Kids Channel, but did so by duplicating content, which made the primary page one that no longer had any history of the recent (survived) VfD. I don't disagree with the move, but just wanted that history on the primary page, so the new page was deleted, and the move done in the more traditional way (using the WikiMedia move feature). Thanks go out to admin smoddy for the help on this. -Harmil 20:20, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * This page shouldn't be called PBS Kids Channel because the PBS channels only have PBS Kids on for about a third of the day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.195.133.53 (talk • contribs)

Storytime
Should we put up an article for storytime? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.112.169 (talk • contribs)

Dash and Dot
Dash is on the Miss Lori and Hooper block. Verification at: http://www.pbs.org/parents/preschool/about.html. Dot is not on the Miss Lori and Hooper block, but at http://www.primalscreen.com/home.html, click on THE WORK, then NETWORK BRANDING, and select PBS KIDS. You can choose WEATHER and see the PBS Kids girl's name is Dot. PKGO 00:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm going to put references. I was the one who put "verification needed" on those areas. --Addict 2006 23:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Dash and Dot are now both integral parts of the "Miss Lori and Hooper"block, as of Season 2--they're part of "computer time" and "art time" segments and are used to introduce games and viewer-submitted artwork.Gladys j cortez 00:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Syndicated Shows
I think the attribute "(syndicated -- not distributed by PBS)" should be kept, because I don't think they had any PBS logos after them. One reason why is the original PBS article uses this, and another thing is, it could be truthful. So please, don't revert to the previous version of this article. --jonghyunchung 18:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

About "PBS Kids 2004"
Shouldn't it be "PBS Kids 2003"? Because some people might feel confused about it right now, and we can't have two 2004 idents. And just what is "PBS Kids 2004 (er, 2003)"?

"Logos" should be deleted from these lists
I think the "logos" (example: PBS Kids 1999, PBS Kids 2004 and PBS Kids Sprout 2005) should be deleted, because the List of programs broadcast by PBS accidently got their "logos" removed as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonghyunchung (talk • contribs)

NEVER!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.52.110 (talk) 01:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The deletions are not accidental. Images belonging to others can only be used on Wikipedia under limited circumstances. Adding a gallery of logos without any justification leaves Wikipedia open to charges of copyright or trademark infringement. Trivialist (talk) 02:16, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Copyedits and idents
This page was such a mess, I hope I helped a little. Are the extensive descriptions of every single "ident" really necessary? Kat, Queen of Typos 02:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I helped a little too. I went through and changed things that didn't make sense. About the idents, on PBS Kids, after evry show they show idents. So it's kind of important.PKGO 18:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Kat, what makes the ident spots so important that it warrants taking up half the article? The lengthy explanations of minute details beg the question: why are the announcements of upcoming shows more important than the entire format of the time block? If anything it should be in its own article, but I'm not sure it's relevant enough for its own article. Also, the whole section seems a bit like original research, with few sources cited (that's not to say it's inaccurate, but there are no sources cited). So I propose that the entire section be summarized into a sentence or two. --68.62.239.224 04:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I personally think the whole "idents" section is of questionable relevance, and I think it can go. Although the amount of work researching and writing it makes me reluctant to recommend tossing it completely, let's ask ourselves: What importance does it contribute? Is anyone really going to look for this info, ever? If they do, will they need ALL THAT INFO? With data as exhaustive and infinitesimally detailed as this, and with its minimal impact on the relevance of the topic at hand, I think we can cut it without harming the article as a whole. Anyone disagree?Gladys j cortez 00:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Non PBS Shows
I don't understand why people say Nick Jr. is coing to PBS. It is not true. The only show from Nick Jr. is Bob the Builder. PKGO 16:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

PBS Kids GO! Channel
Someone wrote the sentence after I wrote about the PBS Kids GO! Channel on the PBS Kids article! When is the PBS Kids GO! Channel launched? I saw that there's a launch for the year 2008. But PBS took a long time making the PBS Kids GO! Channel until 2008. I don't understand this. The PBS Kids GO! Channel has to launch in 2006 or 2007. [User: Nate Speed]

New Show
If I am not mistaken, there is a new show on PBS that just aired today. What is it calledThegreatglobetrotter 17:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

It's Mama Mirabelle's Home Movies. (70.107.146.211 21:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC))

Sections and bits needing work
I'd clean these up but I don't know where to start:

PBS Kids Bookworm Bunch
In September 2000, PBS Kids launched a three-hour block PBS Kids Bookworm Bunch to compete against Nick Jr. on CBS. The block's shows were Corduroy, George Shrinks, Elliot Moose, Marvin the Tap-Dancing Horse, Seven Little Monsters, and Timothy Goes to School. Then Corduroy and Elliot Moose were cancelled. In September 2004, the block got discontinued for shows airing October, then Seven Little Monsters got discontinued after in the half-hour time period as the Berenstain Bears. George Shrinks is airing, on some stations.

First: "to compete against Nick Jr" sounds like original research--do you have a citation to verify that info? Second: do you have approx dates of the cancellations? The last three sentences aren't entirely...sentences, exactly. Not to be mean, but: ?????

George to George On February 19, 2007, there was a George to George special on PBS Kids with Curious George.

What made this a "special"? It sounds like "episodes of Curious George"--or did it have something to do with Presidents' Day (hence the "George to George" reference--George WASHINGTON and CURIOUS George)? Anyhow--as it stands, this section doesn't say much...

On the ads for all of them, it seems to have a slogan: Friday, the day after Thanksgiving.

I'm not sure that was intended as a slogan; it might just be an indication of when the shows air. Same with this: "This Program was made possible by your support of your local PBS Station." AFAIK, that's a boilerplate statement that's made at the beginning and end of all PBS shows, not just kids' shows; it's less a "motto" than a piece of information.

I apologize if I sound like the ghastly nitpicker I am. Gladys j cortez 00:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Boldness and apologies...
I removed the idents section, since I heard no arguments against removing it; if that offends anyone, I'll apologize in advance. However, if you choose to revert it, please don't revert the whole edit, as I also cleaned up a lot of formatting issues in the same session, and though removing the idents section is a matter of opinion, the formatting stuff was definitely for the better. Gladys j cortez (talk) 19:35, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, now.
To user 70.107.xxx.xxx--I would appreciate it if you did NOT revert changes which were made with the intent of IMPROVING the article, unless you care to offer your justifications for having done so. I made major changes to this article, but I explained WHY I felt those changes were beneficial; to have those changes largely undone and no explanation given is just...rude. Gladys j cortez (talk) 22:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Specials
I moved the last few special programs to another section. They had very little information and were less significant, than, say, the Pet-Tacular. I also added some that weren't previously mentioned. 72.86.109.118 (talk) 02:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Images
So, reading the Fair Use guidelines (along with some of the comments above), it seems like our logo images don't conform; Dot and Dash are not the main logo of PBS Kids, nor are they the main topic of the article, nor do the images fulfill this:

Significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.

I'm thinking we could safely delete these images without compromising the article. Does anyone violently disagree? Gladys j cortez (talk) 23:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

To Our Anonymous IP Editor
Repeatedly placing previously-deleted, non-encyclopedic, non-consensus material in an article, especially under an anon IP, is generally not considered good form. If you feel passionately that your edit ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY belongs in this article, then please register an account--then we can discuss it further on a talk page. Or better yet, make your point right here, where everyone can see it. Simply replacing deleted content again and again, anonymously, with no explanation, just makes you look like a vandal, instead of a person with a strongly-held point. Gladys j cortez (talk) 01:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Knowing Jamesinc14, the sockpuppeteer behind many of these edits, I won't be surprised if these warnings, once again, fall on deaf ears. -- azumanga (talk) 21:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, joy; not just a vandal, but a sock. I wasn't aware there were suspicions as to this individual's pedigree. Do you think we should take some sort of steps to have an admin verify that this is indeed what we're up against?Gladys j cortez (talk) 22:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

PBS Show??
I think there was this PBS show in the '90s that featured a green dragon. I've forgotten the name, but if anyone knows, let me know!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.110.74 (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Was the green dragon the main character, or just one of many? I know there was a dragon (dinosaur, actually) on "Between the Lions"--Heath the Thesaurus--and IIRC he was green. Other than that, no clue. Gladys J Cortez 22:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

OH! I know. It was Dudley the dragon. Remember that old show? I know because i have an old episode on VHS. And yes, it was PBS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.183.198 (talk) 00:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

The Puzzle Place was also a PBS show too. The show ran from January 16, 1995 – December 4, 1998. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belleberly (talk • contribs) 08:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Ceased operation?
I'm a bit confused about the status of PBS Kids. This article claims that it has ceased operation in 2005, yet their website continues to contain information about new shows that have been released since 2005. This page on the PBS corporate site also still uses "PBS Kids" as a separate trademark.

It appears to me that it never really was a "channel", but rather a name under which PBS distributes it's children's television products to local stations. If this is so, this really needs to be made clear in this article, with appropriate citations. Clamshell (talk) 16:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, there WAS a channel at one time, which was made available to cable systems but which never really seemed to take off. There's a difference between the PBS Kids CHANNEL and PBS Kids--pbskids.org links you to the PBS network's page for its current kids' shows. There's also PBS Kids Sprout, which is kind of--but not exactly--the new version of the PBS Kids CHANNEL. You won't see a link to Sprout on pbskids.org, because it's a separate, commercial entity--not publicly-funded, like PBS and (formerly) the PBS Kids Channel.GJC 23:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see. And I also see this is clarified at the top of the article and I should have been paying closer attention :). I think my confusion came from that last sentence in the second paragraph which talks about local stations continuing to provide their own "PBS Kids Channel" -- at least with WHA whose offerings I see as more related to the first definition. Clamshell (talk) 22:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I never liked that sentence either. :) GJC 00:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite with expert
This article is in horrible shape. I has absolutely NO body, and only a list of programmes and a history on the old PBS Kids Channel, now Sprout. I think an expert on children's television needs to rewrite this article. Anybody with me? Dalekusa (talk) 21:31, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Article Split-Up
Can we split this article into PBS Kids (block) and PBS Kids (TV channel)? --NewYorkCity101 (talk) 00:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No. PBS Kids, for the 10th time we've already told you under your IP editing, does not exist as a separate channel. The channel you're thinking of was just a 24/7 feed of programs which could be carried as a subchannel or the station could use for their internal recording purposes.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 04:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Too short
This page is too short. This page should become bigger. If somebody would please make some more page contents, that would be fine. 216.180.209.98 (talk) 17:04, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Please read what I said above. That will help the article. By the way, I just recently sent you a message to defend your blocks. NewYorkCity101 (talk) 15:57, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

List of shows
The current list of shows broadcast by PBS Kids seems to be edited a lot with incorrect shows. Many shows, such as Miffy and Friends, are NOT distributed by PBS, and therefore should not be included on the list. Other shows, such as Postcards from Buster or Mister Rogers, no longer air on some stations. However, they are still aired in some select areas, and a still considered PBS Kids programs. These should remain on the list until that particular program is no longer broadcast. Of course, shows like the Backyardigans do NOT air on PBS at all, and should never even make it to the list. Please don't add shows that are on other networks.

Another section to add to the current and past sections, could be an online section. Toopy & Bino, The Greens, Fizzy's Lunch Lab, and others are all exclusively online at this time. Should we make a new sub-heading for this? PKGO (talk) 03:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I would say so. They keep getting put there by ip'sChecker Fred (talk) 20:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks like the PBS Kids channel began in 1999, not 1995
In the History section of the PBS Kids article it says "Along with the block of programming on PBS, PBS Kids was a separate television network, founded in 1995, and was targeted to children aged 2-7 years. The PBS Kids Channel ran for six years and was largely funded by DirecTV. The channel ceased broadcast on September 26, 2005, in favor of a new commercial joint venture, PBS Kids Sprout, which is a partnership owned by Comcast About half of PBS TV stations still program a children's channel themselves over their multicasting service."

The aspects of the 1995 launch of the PBS Kids channel is incorrect. It did begin in 1999.

Here's a 1999 news article that states this: 

Thank You!

18:23, 12 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.105.139.184 (talk)

Page Clean up
This pages need to be cleaned up. Shows are not correct or even are they in the right sections.Checker Fred (talk) 18:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Left out shows
I belive some shows, like Fetch!, have been left out of the article. Also, I think that a seprate list should be made for those TV show that aren't currently airing new shows, but still being shown on TV. The link is here:  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.174.200.114 (talk) 03:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think we need to include Nanalan' and Miffy 75.33.126.216 (talk) 01:21, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

PBS The Game Programs
I just removed the "PBS The Game Programs" section. It was added recently and was completely unreferenced, and I couldn't find any significant references to it in my own search. I moved the programs that were listed there back to the "Past Programs" section, as they were all legitimately PBS Kids programs. If someone has a valid reference to it then please list it and we can put the section back in if consensus says it is relevant and belongs there. -Dwimble (talk) 22:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Removed it again...still unreferenced. -Dwimble (talk) 15:16, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

PTV Park Programs
I just removed the "PTV Park Programs" section. It was added recently and was completely unreferenced, and I couldn't find any significant references to it in my own search. I moved the programs that were listed there back to the "Past Programs" section, as they were all legitimately PBS Kids programs. If someone has a valid reference to it then please list it and we can put the section back in if consensus says it is relevant and belongs there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.211.213 (talk) 01:33, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

What is this? I tried searching for its article but there is not any existing article.trainfan01 talk 20:01, November 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Removed this section again, since someone replaced it awhile back...still unreferenced. -Dwimble (talk) 15:16, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

PBS Mad Dash Programs on KERA 13 in Dallas, Texas
I just remove The Weekenders, Lloyd in Space, Teamo Supremo, Fillmore!, Kim Possible, Lilo & Stitch: The Series, Dave the Barbarian, Brandy & Mr. Whiskers, American Dragon: Jake Long, The Buzz on Maggie, The Emperor's New School and The Replacements, they were produced by Walt Disney Studios Television Animation and WGBH Boston. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.211.213 (talk) 21:51, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

PBS Kids GO! is part of PBS Kids
There is clearly some confusion by some editors who regularly add/remove PBS Kids GO! programs and sections about them. PBS Kids GO! is part of PBS Kids. On the official PBS Kids site, all the PBS Kids GO! programs are listed there as well...because they are part of PBS Kids. PBS Kids includes BOTH the PBS Kids Preschool Block and PBS Kids GO! (and PBS Kids Sprout for that matter). I added a comment under the "Current Programs" section to clarify that. The list of programs should always include both. If someone wants to see separate info about one of those categories specifically, then he or she can go to the articles dedicated to them: PBS Kids Preschool Block, PBS Kids GO!, and PBS Kids Sprout. -Dwimble (talk) 18:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood
I added Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood to the Current Programs section, with a reference to the PBS press release that states it is coming to the PBS Kids preschool block in the fall. However, I wasn't really sure if I should add it, since it isn't airing yet, even though it is currently in production. If there ends up being a consensus that it doesn't belong there, then I'll remove it or move it. Perhaps to a "Future Programs" section, for confirmed, announced programs? I just didn't think another whole section for the one or two programs that might be added during any given year was necessary. I figured adding it to the Current Programs list with a simple verified reference would be sufficient. -Dwimble (talk) 20:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Has this show been forgotten? Related to Make way for Noddy?
I seem to recall a show involving a weasel, Jack-in-the-box, goose, two miniature figures, a store manager, and some children that were on occasionally. My sister remembers a wise rocking horse, though I can't seem to place that character. We believe Noddy might have been on that show, but Make Way for Noddy does not involve all of the characters. I also seem to remember 1 episode in particular featuring a song "Stop and listen to the Music, because the weasel was being bad again. It is possible, but not likely that I missed it on the list, but if that is so, the title is very unfamiliar. The title was something like The Fun Shop or The Toy Shop or The Noddy Shop — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.123.31.144 (talk) 19:21, 2 August 2012 (UTC) Found it! The show I was thinking of was "The Noddy Shop." Please add this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.123.31.144 (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

PBS Kids programs VS APT programs
I will be attempting to recreate the program list for PBS Kids programs.

Maybe it is not clear: Just because a program airs on a PBS station, does NOT make it a PBS program. Many local PBS stations choose to air programs from APT (American Public Television) and other public television program providers. Therefore, these programs are NOT PBS Kids programs. These shows DO NOT belong on this page. PBS Kids programming will always have a PBS Kids identification cue at the end of the program. APT programs have appropriately an APT identification at the end. Most (however not all!) PBS Kids programs will have a companion website at pbskids.org

Hopefully this ends any confusion about this issue. PKGO (talk) 21:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Restored Upcoming programs section
Restored the "Upcoming Programs" section that someone removed recently without explanation, and I removed the erroneous note that was associated with it and fixed the reference. And FYI, when I was finishing the edit I accidentally submitted it without an explanation, which is why I'm commenting here. -Dwimble (talk) 18:24, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think you might have missed my explanation, which is in this edit. I deleted the Upcoming programs section, because it didn't have any references.  I went back a few revisions prior, and saw that it did at one time have a reference, but it returned a 404 error.  Thus, "Upcoming programs are unsourced. The last sourced program had a ref that 404d. Deleted section." Hope that helps! :) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:08, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I missed it. Sorry about that. In any case, I added a good reference and removed the unsourced and seemingly strange note saying the program's release is being delayed because of the Boston bombing. -Dwimble (talk) 21:54, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Good fix! Yeah, there's some kid or kids who've been doing that for various TV shows-- perpetuating hoaxes that XYZ show was delayed or banned because of ABC disaster.  Take care, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Removed "reruns" statements and dates
Under the Former Programming section I removed several statements such as: "currently in reruns" and "reruns until x". Those statements are inconsistent, never sourced, and not particularly relevant. Past programs come and go all the time as reruns on stations (PBS and otherwise) in syndication, and there is no easy way to verify them or keep them accurately up to date, plus it's hard to see the point of those statements in this article. That info is more appropriate for a TV listings site or in one of the many "List of programs broadcast by..." articles on Wikipedia. I think the statement at the top of the section that some of the former programs "may still air as reruns on some PBS stations or other channels" is sufficient. -Dwimble (talk) 20:34, 8 August 2013 (UTC)