Talk:PP-2000

Machine Pistol.
Hey.

A while back I had changed the description of this weapon to machine pistol, seeing as, - The unabbreviated "PP" means "machine pistol" or "automatic pistol" in Russian. - The weapon is pistol-like in form - The weapon is one-handed.

Other weapons, such as the mac-10, which is almost the same size, are classified as machine pistols by wikipedia. It was then reverted in the next edit under the reason that "Just because call of duty says it's a machine pistol doesn't mean it is". Ignoring the fact that that statement is unnecessarily aggressive and assumes that that was my reasoning. I feel that its also noteworthy to mention that the "see also" section links to the TMP (which stands for Tactical Machine pistol) MP9 (which is based off of the TMP), VP70 and m9-r, the latter two which are unarguably machine pistols.

I explained how the weapon's name meant machine pistol, reverted the page back to how it was when I first edited it. Apparently, It stayed that way with other edits not messing with it for about 7 edits, till the same ISP as before now edited it to say ASSAULT RIFLE, which is clearly incorrect (The weapon does not fire rifle carditrges, nor has the barrel length, or other features of assault rifles) and could possibly be seen as vandalism.

From the page history, it seemed this sitrred a small edit war until someone changed it to both say Machine pistol and SMG, which is how it was the last time I checked this page.

Now I see that it has been again reverted. To be clear, I understand that it shares chartistics with sub machine guns, and is primarily regarded as one. I feel it should be catgorized as both a SMG and machine pistol.

I am NOT going to change it myself again. I am, however, creating a dispute resolution noticeboard case. 69.132.69.87 (talk) 23:57, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The users I mentioned where myself (both IP adresses), 98.210.0.71, and ROG5728. It says I should notify the users mentioned via talk page, so I am. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.132.69.87 (talk) 00:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The PP-2000 obviously meets the definition for a machine pistol, but it would be inappropriate to say that in the article when all of the sources actually call it a submachine gun, and not a machine pistol. If you can find a reliable source that describes the weapon as a machine pistol, the article can be changed back to say that it is correct to describe it as a submachine gun or machine pistol. In the meantime, anyone changing the article to say the weapon is an assault rifle is completely incorrect and should be reverted. ROG5728 (talk) 09:07, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, there are no sources I can find that say that, as far as I know, the exact lines bewteen small arm types are very blurred, and is more akin to a spectrum then anything else.

You have Pistols, then you have things like full auto glocks, then the skorpion, then stuff like the PP2000, PDWs, "real" submachien guns, carbines, etc...

Very few weapons fit neatly into catagoery. The fact that they are named or marketed as a certain type even though they have more in common with something else does not help. For example, the "pp" standing for machine pistol. But even then, "machine pistol" in russian seems to be applied to Smgs and pdw type weapons, too. Even the STG44, the orginal assualt rifle, was designated as the machine pistol 44 before it became clear it belonged in it's on class of weapon.

In short, seeing as how even experts call the same gun different things, it seems suitable to list it as both a Machine pistol and smg. 69.132.69.87 (talk) 22:55, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Usage in the UK
Does anyone have a source for it being used by the UK, as I can't find any myself. 80.192.151.104 (talk) 02:43, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Sergey Surovikin
Sergey Surovikin was holding one during his appear to wagner. No solid sources for that yet though.©Geni (talk) 20:30, 28 June 2023 (UTC)