Talk:PS Trillium

Trillium (ferry)? Trillium (ship, 1913)? Trillim (ship, 1910)?
This article was originally named Trillium (ship, 1913). Subsequently the article was moved to Trillium (ferry), and an administrator deleted the redirect to Trillium (ship, 1913), with the edit summary: "(G6: The ship was built in 1910. See Trillium (ferry))"''

I believe this was a mistake, for several reason.

First, the sources are ambiguous, some saying 1910, some saying 1913.

Second, it can take a long time to construct vessels, with various milestones, including keep-laying, launching, commissioning, and passing their acceptance trials. Launching and commissioning sometimes take place at the same time, but not always.

So, both dates could be correct. I am going to ask the administrator who deleted the redirect to restore it.

Further, over on the commons, individuals who specialize in nautical matters are trying to get a consistent naming convention for marine vessels, which I tried to follow with the name Trillium (ship, 1913). If we decide to use the 1910 date and we want to comply with the convention, then the article would be named Trillium (ship, 1910).

As I understand that convention, specialty vessels, like ferries, tugboats, fireboats, are all nevertheless called "ships". I think this is because the names of specialty vessels differ so much in various languages, and commons is an international resource. It could be argued that since this is the Engligh language wikipedia, we should not adopt a convention designed for international use. But even English speakers can't agree the different kinds of vessels. Geo Swan (talk) 15:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. It was only the redirect left behind after the move that I deleted, and if the article should be moved back, my restoring the redirect would prevent that. The article is currently at Trillium (ferry), complete with all its edit history, so all you need to do is move it back to whichever title is supported by consensus or project convention. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * This article is long overdue and I'm glad you created it. Why don't you just move it wherever you are happy. It's your baby, and I am only an outside consultant (big fee for consultants these days), but 1910 is the offical date given, not 1913. You can recreate the redirect yourself without any problems. See where they use your preference in naming. I got a couple of pictures; one of the Trillium today, and one of the Heritage Toronto 2010 plaque, if they are of any help. Thanks for this one George. Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:38, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll move it to Trillium (ship, 1910).


 * But I don't feel I own this article -- or any other.


 * Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 22:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You gave birth to it. Take the praise - while you can get it! Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe the line "A mechanical failure caused the Trillium to stop before colliding with the restaurant." means the opposite of what actually happened. Someone who knows the story should edit this to say what actually happened there. It is more likely that Trillium DIDN'T stop. The engine might have. Trillium clearly kept right on driving. 2607:FEA8:A720:273:34AA:91CD:A23A:7BE1 (talk) 08:57, 26 July 2016 (UTC)ksaj@reddit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:A720:273:34AA:91CD:A23A:7BE1 (talk) 08:56, 26 July 2016 (UTC)