Talk:Papal travel

incognito travel
Have popes ever (in the modern era) traveled incognito? Bwrs (talk) 04:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * There have been instances of various popes doing this but it appears to be limited to Rome and areas within Italy. Here are a few sources I found. https://theweek.com/articles/455105/short-history-popes-sneaking-vatican and https://www.iol.co.za/news/world/pope-hit-the-ski-slopes-incognito-312942


 * There don't appear to be any examples of any secretive international travel. Mtminchi08 (talk) 01:59, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

First pope to leave Europe
The article claims that "Pope Paul VI (1963—1978) became the first pope to leave Europe" while this is referenced, it is also an extraordinary claim. It is known (and stated in the article) that many popes travelled to Constantinople, which is just at the edge of the continent. Do we have any sources that really none of the many popes that travelled to Constantinople ever visited any of the Asian parts of that city? Also, the first pope, St. Peter, is commonly assumed to have travelled both in Europe (Rome, Corinth) and Asia (Jerusalem, Antioch), though maybe he did all his Asian travel before entering Europe the first time?

SPTH (talk) 15:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

voluntary travel of the Pope was non-existent for the first 500 years
The article claims "voluntary travel of the Pope was non-existent for the first 500 years" without citing a source. St. Peter is considered the first pope, and he travelled voluntarily. The next pope, Linus is not known to have travelled, but not much is known about him anyway, so we can't say that he didn't travel either. The situation is similar for many of the other popes during the first 500 years.

SPTH (talk) 20:49, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

No visits by a pope
Since encyclopedia articles are about events which have happened rather than events which have not occurred, the following list probably should not be included within the article itself. If someone can find a reliable source citation, then feel free to move this list into the article.

no pope has ever visited the following countries - 56 member states of the United Nations, nine non-UN member states with limited international recognition, and two associated states of New Zealand.



Mtminchi08 (talk) 01:04, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

New map added
A new map has been added to this article - for the travels of Pope Paul VI

The previous map had four errors per a 19 January 2011 note left on the previous map's Discussion page


 * * The first two are rather confusing. You may want to read the Wikipedia article on Bangladesh for further clarification.  In 1970, Pope Paul VI visited the city of Dacca, Pakistan.  However Dacca is now Dhaka and is the capital city of Bangladesh.  When the Pope visited Dacca, it was located in the part of Pakistan that was then known as East Pakistan. After the Bangladesh Liberation War in 1971, East Pakistan broke away from Pakistan and became the seperate nation of Bangladesh.  Therefore, Pakistan should NOT be colored yellow on this map and Bangladesh SHOULD be colored yellow.


 * * Jordan was visited by Pope Paul VI in 1964. It SHOULD be colored yellow.


 * * France was NOT visited by Pope Paul VI during his papacy. It should NOT be colored yellow."

The new map corrects the above errors. A special "thank you" to User:Golden for creating the new map. Mtminchi08 (talk) 00:54, 13 April 2022 (UTC)