Talk:Papel picado

Chisels
I don't think that the tissue paper is cut using chisels. --Mackilicious 01:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC) I think it is cut using scissors. I may be wrong, but thats what i used. Tissue paper isn't hard enough to really use chisels. Jaguarkitty (talk) 03:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It can be cut using scissors or chisels. --Banana (talk) 06:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Translation
Partially translated. Will finish later. --Banana (talk) 06:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Connection with Prehispanic Culture
I think there should be some mention of connections between paper making, paper cutting, papel picado, and prehispanic cultural use - because there is some. I think it is unfair that there is no mention of any kind of continuity in Mexican civilization between Mexico before the conquest and after the conquest, when in fact there is.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.188.143.131 (talk) 19:46, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Plan on adding a "Types" section
Hello, my name is Ashley, and I plan on contributing to the "papel Picado" article. I will be working on the "papel Picado" article by adding a "tyes" section, citing credible sources, and adding more information to the overall article. This "Types" section is my first addition to the article, and I wanted to post it on the talk page before making it live. If any of you have advice on how to best improve this article, I am all ears!

Below is my first planned contribution.

Types

With countless combinations of patterns and colors, there are many different types of papel picados used in Mexican celebrations[1]. Specific patterns of papel picados are believed to hold significant meaning and worldly influence[2]. Thus, the appearance of a papel picado is determined by the particular even of which it is used[1]. One of the more commonly known types of papel Picados are those used during the Mexican holiday Dia De Los Muertos ([|Day of the Dead]), of which the papel picados are often cut with patterns of skulls and strung around ofrendas [|ofrendas][3].

Papel picados are also used to assist in one's life journey[2].

If someone wanted to improve a relationship, better their crops, or receive assistance in a particular area of their life, they would go to the Shaman [|shaman] (someone thought to have contact with the spirits[4]) who would create a papel picado themed to the persons specific need, which would help their situation[2].

References 1. Herrera-Sobek, María (2012). Celebrating Latino Folklore: An Encyclopedia of Cultural Traditions. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 9780313343391. 2. Crystal Bridges (2014-09-11), Catalina Delgado-Trunk–The History and Tradition of Papel Picado, retrieved 2018-11-02

3. Mohr, Angela. "Papercutting." The Encyclopedia of American Folk Art, edited by Gerard C. Wertkin, and Lee Kogan, Routledge, 1st edition, 2003. Credo Reference, https://cod.idm.oclc.org/login?url=https://search.credoreference.com/content/entry/routfolkart/papercutting/0?institutionId=2869. Accessed 02 Nov. 2018.

4. "shaman | Definition of shaman in English by Oxford Dictionaries". Oxford Dictionaries | English. Retrieved 2018-11-02.

Ashleysartworld101 (talk) 14:27, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Nov. 1 and Nov, 2 Clarification
Nov. 1 is All Saints Day; Nov. 2 is All Souls Day. This is common knowledge In Spanish Nov. 2 is called Dia de los Muertos but translating it as Day of the Dead does not convey in English the belief and cultural sense that the souls of those who pass on are alive. Also, remember that Halloween (Oct. 31) is an abbreviation of All Hallowed Eve.

Years ago I edited a few articles of Wikipedia and signed Margaret9Mary. I can't remember the password I used and the IP address would change depending on the computer I use at this community college. No one here knows Wikipedia protocol. what should I do?205.167.120.201 (talk) 23:51, 1 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Your post covers two topics that appear completely unrelated to each other. This isn't going to be a suitable place to ask the second one. Try Teahouse.
 * As for your first topic, regardless of its shortcomings "Day of the Dead" is how the Mexican observance is known in English. I don't see why you're bringing up Halloween. Largoplazo (talk) 01:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect plural
"Papel" means paper and "picado" essentially means perforated. The plural of perforated papers is "papels picados," not "papel picados." One doesn't just add an "s" to the last word in a foreign-language phrase to create a plural. A.T.S. in Texas (talk) 00:27, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * To get an important detail out of the way: The Spanish plural isn't "papels picados", it's "papeles picados".
 * Keeping in mind that we're writing in English rather than Spanish, I checked the Google Ngram Viewer for a comparison of the frequency with which "papel picados" and "papeles picados" are found in Google's corpus of books in English. They're in the same ballpark, with "papel picados" prevailing since 2006. Here are examples from the corpus covering the years 20162018. Largoplazo (talk) 00:58, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * My bad. I stand corrected. Nevertheless, "Papel picados" looks wrong to me even as (obvioiusly) a non-Spanish speaker. OED and Webster give the plural of bon vivant as bons vivants, and that's a phrase that's been used in English since the 18th Century. Despite their prescriptive advice, "bon vivants" seems to have occurred more often than "bons vivants" in English-language books for most of the past 230 years. Unlike bon vivant, papel picado is not a phrase you can find in an English dictionary, and I think the standard should be that when using foreign-language phrases in English writing, the rules for forming plurals are those of the language the phrase is from. Hence "papeles picados." A.T.S. in Texas (talk) 03:23, 17 October 2021 (UTC)