Talk:Paraphilia/Archive 3

Sexism in Drug Treatment section
The focus in the treatment section focuses heavily on men. What kinds of treatments are available for female Paraphiliacs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.72.171.153 (talk) 15:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC).
 * This struck me about the article as well. It also offers no explanation if it is indeed true, as the article implies, that clinical treatment was only difficult in the case of men.41.242.246.162 20:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Intent to merge all garment fetish articles into one
I wanted to get some input on my plans to merge 20 fetish/philia articles into a single one. All of the "garment fetish" articles are either unsourced or very poorly sourced and composed mainly of original research. The new attribution policy makes it very clear that unless these articels are all sourced they are subject to deletion. I was going to take most of them to AfD on notability and verifiability grounds but, knowing that most of them do in fact exist in the underground, I thought it might be better to bring them all into a single unbrella article. The article I'm going to create, "Garment fetishism" is going to cover the general concept of the fetish in a few paragraphs and will provide examples from the original articles. I know that the concept of a "garment fetish" will be much easier to source than all of the individual fetishes on an individual basis. I was hoping for some help and advice from the editors that are more familiar with this area of study before I start making really big changes. I will be able to put up a rough start to the article to look over in my sandbox soon. NeoFreak 03:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC) There is a list of all 20 articles. NeoFreak 03:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Jeans fetishism
 * Jacket fetishism
 * Glove fetishism
 * Glasses fetishism
 * Shoe fetishism
 * Boot fetish
 * Gas mask fetishism
 * Mask fetishism
 * Sock fetishism
 * Uniform fetish
 * Stocking fetishism
 * Spandex fetishism
 * Schoolgirl uniform fetish
 * Pantyhose fetishism
 * Panty fetishism
 * Suit and tie fetishism
 * Leather fetishism
 * Latex and PVC fetishism
 * Fur fetishism
 * Diaper lover

Naziploitation v BDSM
Quote: "'Sadomasochism: In the independent 1974 Italian film The Night Porter, Charlotte Rampling wore a hat from a Nazi uniform in a sadomasochistic sex scene. At the time, the image was startling and new, but over the following years the use of Nazi-tinged iconography in a sexual context became mainstream, appearing first in mass-marketed pornography like Playboy and Penthouse, and finally becoming so tame that teen queen Britney Spears wore a similar outfit to a primetime awards show in 2003.'" This is dead wrong. The Night Porter is a typical exsample for Naziplotation an Exploitation film subgenre combining Nazi-imagery with sadomasochistic motives. This was at its high during the 60s and 70s when openly BDSM-themed movies like Preaching to the Perverted or Secretary (film) were simply unthinkable and would have been banned. BDSM-imagery nowerdays, like used by Madonna and Spears has no connection to Nazi-Insignia.

To put BDSM, Nazi-movies, and BDSM in the Media in one short chapter doesn't make any sense, in this case its simply nonsense.--Nemissimo II 13:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

In all honesty, please tell me
This article is made up, right? Specially the final part. Flatulophilia? Forniturophilia? What the hell? -Unsigned
 * Sadly no. -Unsigned
 * Definately not, a paraphilia can be anything really, if it makes someone sexually aroused that is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.8.81 (talk) 04:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Why was homosexuality removed?
It's entirely plausible that it could be considered a paraphilia too. It's a very abstract term after all, and attraction to degredation or something could be at the root of it. I mean hell, they threw pedophilia in there and it's far more common and natural than homosexuality. But same-sex partners can consent and children never can so that's why! But more likely, 'paraphilia' is just another way of saying 'sick' so you can lambast unpopular sexual views. -Unsigned
 * It's probably because homosexuals are atracted to only the same sex and no one else, if anything bisexuality should be considered a fetish. Ajuk 11:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Since when are all religions monotheistic?
Under the religion section, the wording appears to refer exclusively to a monotheistic religion. This should be reworded to include all forms of religions, including those that exhibit polytheism. --Burningmace 08:33, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Dendrophilia
So is this a fictional paraphilia? If it only appears in literature or movies that one time then I think we should delete it. The link just goes to a disambiguation page with unrelated material. ·:·Will Beback ·:· 22:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Dendrophilia: sexual attraction to trees and other large plants, popularized by the movie Superstar with Molly Shannon

Whats a redhead fetish
What's that called? -Unsigned

How about this article
List of fictional Paraphilia -Unsigned

"Adolescent children"
Bit of a contradiction, isn't it? Even wiki itself will tell you the difference between and adolescent and a child. 216.97.171.219

Gigantopithicus fetish, Minifellaphilla
Are these the real names? I don't doubt that the desires are real, just the names. -- WiccaIrish 09:18, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Incidence
How many people have paraphilias? A.Z. 03:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't believe there has been any study made to give you any exact details, it mostly depends on the paraphilia, they are not RARE but there are some paraphilias that are, if I myself were to guess how many i would say, probably about 1 in 25 have some sort of sexual paraphilia not derived as a fetish. i could be way off though. but if your trying to find out, why not start a poll somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.8.81 (talk) 04:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

A scholarly definition
Here is a definition of “paraphilia” from a scholarly sexological dictionary:
 * A paraphilia is an “… erotosexual and psychological condition characterized by recurrent responsiveness to and obsessive dependence on an unusual or socially unacceptable stimulus, either perceptually or in fantasy in order to experience sexual arousal and achieve orgasm.” (Francoeur, et al, 1995, page 463)

The definition continues on for a full paragraph after that. In Appendix A of Francoeur et al. 1995, there is a 7-page list, with definitions, of the various paraphilias (pp. 735-740). The gist of the definition is that a paraphiliac needs or deeply wants the paraphilic stimulus in order to achieve arousal and/or orgasm. The correlative term for non-paraphilic is “normophilic,” defined by Francoeur et al. as a “…condition of conforming erotosexually with the norms dictated by custom, religious, or civil authorities” (p 434). The literature on the paraphilias, their diagnosis and treatment is very large. A condition does *not* have to have a DSM label for it to be a paraphilia, since the term is used in sexology in both looser and stricter senses.

Francoeur, Robert T., Martha Cornog, Timothy Perper, and Norman A. Scherzer (Editors) 1995 The Complete Dictionary of Sexology, New Expanded Edition. New York: Continuum. 790 pages. Timothy Perper 08:31, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Removed obvious fakes

 * Removed reference to "Emoaningphilia;" abnormal title ("e-moaning-philia" likely fake), redlinked, no DSM.
 * Removed "Wind Fetish;" abnormal title (likely fake), redlinked, no DSM.
 * Removed "Minifellaphilia;" abnormaly title ("Mini-fellow-philia" likely fake), redlinked, no DSM.

If any are legit, please create the page first and/or cite reliable secondary sources before readding them. Cheers. =) -- slakr \ talk / 17:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Sexual deviance
Isn't sexual deviance a much broader term than paraphilia? Paraphilia is generally used to describe a medical condition. Read the definition on the page...it uses words such as "persistent, intense, etc. The claims "Paraphilia is also used to imply non-mainstream sexual practices without necessarily implying dysfunction or deviance" point to a section that no longer exists.  I propose creating a separate page, sexual deviance, to cover the broader issues.  Having the redirect here may have seemed obvious to the person creating it, but to me, it seems rather obvious that these pages should be separate.  In my opinion, sexual deviances is more culturally constructed, more variable with respect to value systems, and is independent of whether the activity causes any harm to anyone.  Paraphilia, on the other hand, seems much more limited in scope--something that causes harm to others and is potentially debilitating.  Cazort (talk) 13:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Voyeurism section
The wording near the end of the voyeurism section seems to be a little unclear, I'm not sure what it is supposed to say so I don't want to change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by VMalicia (talk • contribs) 14:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Eproctophilia
I would like to see sexual attraction to farting added, as t is a legitimate paraphila and even has an offical name for it. There is a large amount of fart erotica on fetish websites, and it is alot more common than some of the paraphilias listed. Also, there is a rise in burping erotica on fetosh sites as well, so maybe some reseacrh should go into that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.154.81.235 (talk) 01:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Piquerism
I don't see it here or on the template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tivaelydoc (talk • contribs) 05:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

"Precautionary"
I do not see the applicability here. If it's intended as a warning that some of the things discussed might have negative consequences, its a violation of not censored and NPOV. we don;'t give disclaimers, besides our general one. If it's intended to say that the detailed content needs to be seen and interpreted with care towards certain often nont-undrstood factors, that's certainly true, but "General concerns" or "General issues" is a less ambivalent heading. DGG (talk) 18:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Organization of article
I did a little preliminary work to arrange this material, but this article is weighted far too heavily toward views held by clinicians who make money by treating these traits/behaviors as diseases to be cured. In addition, there's an inappropriate didactic sense to the "precautionary" parts up front. It's got a lot of WP:OR that makes unsourced claims about usage etc.

The lede should be expanded to three paragraphs per summary style, the first of which should be a value-free description, followed by material that reflects the article content. Jokestress (talk) 15:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Bias in opening paragraph
The first paragraph should be a value-neutral definition, since the term is used in both a lay and clinical sense. The second paragraph (which was largely removed), can discuss the generally held view among psychologists and what-not that these are disorders, and we can use their nosology there. We should not lead with the disease model, though. Jokestress (talk) 17:08, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Autophilia
I'm just wondering if Autophilia is a paraphilia. If it is, it should be added. It would be sexual attraction to one's self...I feel like a butthole talking about this, but seriously consider it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.242.92 (talk) 01:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If there are RS's to support it, it's in. — James Cantor (talk) (formerly, MarionTheLibrarian) 14:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Use of words?
I had to read the first article paragraph, after the intro, about three times. I had to say it out loud, in fact, and I'm sure people /will woner/ why I'm talking about this. To myself. Although, I doubt, since these people are normal, common-dialect people, they will not understand.

Dumb it down a bit. Seriously. Wikipedias for everyone, and every word there is about ten syllabils long... Simplification, you lot call it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.82.99 (talk) 22:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

First sentence

 * Paraphilia [...] refers to any [...] sexual interest other than sexual interest.

Obviously someone who has a clue what this term really means should fix this sentence so it means something. 96.10.251.86 (talk) 13:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'd say a chapter in the Oxford textbook of psychopathology qualifies me as having a clue, but anyone can disagree with anything they like, of course. Nonetheless, there exist many potential definitions (all varying in how well they are supported by evidence), and a discussion of other text would start, of course, by someone suggesting some. — James Cantor (talk) 12:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Take out the 2nd 'sexual interest', change it to say 'refers to any powerful and persistent sexual interest in anything other than copulatory or precopulatory behavior.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubicon714 (talk • contribs) 13:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Paraphilia template
I'm requesting some assistance here on Template_talk:Paraphilia, this is being tagged on these articles and I've concerns that it's being crowded with too many multilingual terms which don't even show on the DSM. Tyciol (talk) 09:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)