Talk:Parishes of Jamaica

Naming
from User_talk:Tobias Conradi Hi. Ive noticed a couple of your edits the the Parishes of Jamaica article, and see that you have renamed all the parishes. For example, Saint Elizabeth, Jamaica is moved to Saint Elizabeth Parish, Jamaica. I wanted to check with you first before changing anything. Is there a particular reason for this?

The parish is called "Saint Elizabeth" and "Jamaica" was used at the end to indicate that it was in Jamaica. Its not ideal to put "Saint Elizabeth Parish", into the title (its like saying Texas State, America which not only sounds awkward, but does not necessarily comply with the Naming conventions/Naming conventions (city names) ). The ideal thing to do was to probably rename them including "Parish" in brackets (eg "Saint Elizabeth (Parish)" etc. Any thoughts on this?  Or an   e    (t)   (c)   (@)  04:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Tobias Conradi (Talk) 10:38, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * X, Jamaica - looks like city
 * X (Parish) - wrong capitalizing
 * X (parish) - not sufficient, especially parishes exist en masse around the world
 * X Parish, America - it is unusual to use continent names for country specific itemes
 * X Parish, Jamaica - as used for counties, districts in different parts of the world. X Parish Council used locally, so X Parish comes close. Other parishes in the carribean (and around the world?) are written this way.
 * X Parish (Jamaica) - for geographic disambig of subnational entities this use is not very widespread, but can be found
 * X (Jamaican parish) - adjectives cannot be used worldwide (at Naming conventions there is nothing about it, any other source about unwanted adjectives in topography?)
 * X (Jamaica) - for geographic disambig of subnational entities this use is not very widespread, but can be found.

My thoughts/questions to those who may know better:

1) In Jamaica, are the parish names used commonly? In many other Caribbean islands, the Parish divisions are considered "not relevant" by the ISO, in other words, simply lines on a map with little other meaning.

2) What about disambiguating with country? Like, "Saint Mary (Jamaica)" or "Saint Mary Parish (Jamaica)", as parenthetical disambig seems to be the favored method among countries (And makes it look different from cities). Also possible is "Saint Mary (Jamaican parish)".

2a) However, for the Caribbean, I've been working on a different standard; "X Parish, Country", because there were so many parishes with the same names, and so many of them aren't relevant.

2b) HOWEVER, if the parish means more in Jamaica than in, say, Barbados or Antigua, then 2a doesn't matter.

2c) Also the fact that Jamaica's parishes have a lot of unique names, whereas other islands have many similar or identical parish names. For example, the islands of Antigua, Barbados, Dominica, Grenada, and Saint Vincent all have a parish named Saint George.

So, I guess, my main questions are: What's the standard usage in Jamaica, is it a relevant division, and which disambig method do you prefer? Please let me know on my talk page. Thank you so much! --Golbez 15:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Answers
Yes, they are used very frequently, and not just political divisions. If someone asks "Where are you from", the standard answer is "Portlant" etc.

Well, there are many countries with the same parish names, but thats why the Jamaica was located at the end of each;to show its in Ja. St Mary (Jamaican Parish) should not be used as it does not comply with Naming conventions&mdash; no adjectives in title.

After closer thought, Ive realised that maybe the name change is OK. I can see Tobias Conradi 's point. The first name worked fine, but this ones works too. Or an  e    (t)   (c)   (@)  21:21, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Population and area figures don't match between articles
The stated population and area does not match from different articles about places in Jamaica. For example Parishes of Jamaica chart gives the figure 555,828 population and 430.7 sq km area for St. Andrew and states it's from 2001 census. - Saint Andrew Parish, Jamaica page gives 540,715 population and 455 sq km area. This is not the only Jamaica article with non-matching figures.

I don't know myself which is correct otherwise I would change it Carlwev Carlwev 11:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Template
Is there a way to shift the map so that the template can fit in this article properly? I'm going to give it a try. Blackjays1 (talk) 05:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Propose move to "Counties of Jamaica"
I just tagged the article with Inappropriate title. The article focuses solely on the historical counties. The Parishes are mentioned only incidentally. As each counties is the union of Parishes, it seems like an article focused solely on them is worthwhile. I will wait for some period of time (days, weeks, months?). If no further input is given for this low-traffic article, I will just move it myself. Jason Quinn (talk) 16:00, 2 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Perhaps "Counties and Parishes of Jamaica" is a better title. This is in light of the contents and naming of the naxbox Parishes of Jamaica. Jason Quinn (talk) 19:05, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean by it 'focuses solely on the counties'. It has a map of the parishes; it has demographic and geographic data on the parishes; and it mentions former parishes. The counties are mentioned only as groupings of parishes. --Golbez (talk) 19:06, 2 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose - No need to rename. The counties really serve no purpose in Jamaica except as geographical groupings, and that's all they do in this article. - BilCat (talk) 20:16, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose, though "Parishes and counties of Jamaica" (emphasizing parishes over the counties) wouldn't be unreasonable. I think the boldface and colors of the map and table over-emphasize the counties, which led to the misinterpretation of the article that triggered this proposal. My search of the Jamaica Gleaner archives found that the counties aren't entirely historical, as they are frequently mentioned in recent newspaper stories. They seem to be just ceremonial though. I think the Governor-General of Jamaica does three awards ceremonies for all the parish residents in each county, rather than 14 ceremonies. Sports leagues seem to also be organized by county. So they aren't lost to history. The section "Too may governments" says that a commission of sorts came up with a concept of county councils, one for Cornwall, one for Middlesex, and one for Surrey, "a very sensible recommendation" that was immediately buried by the politically powerful JLP and PNP. Seems the people at the top want power diffused among 14 councils rather than centralized in just three. – Wbm1058 (talk) 02:06, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Divisions
Can someon make this a more general page on administrative subdivisions? I see the infobox says that there are cities, towns and villages under the parish level, which seems to imply that they are more than settlements, that they actually have their own local governments. If this is the case, this needs to be fleshed out on both this page and Jamaica's main page. --Criticalthinker (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2016 (UTC)