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Parsis Definition and Identity.
There is a generally belief that the Term ‘PARSI’, was used as an ethnic tribe, that came to India from Iran; Were called ‘Parsis’, only after coming to India. Well, that conception is wrong! Even in Ancient times it was used in Iran, by the Iranian kings.

King Darius has very clearly and specifically written in his Naqsh-e-Rustam inscription, “Framataraam Aadam Darayaavaush...... Haxamanishiya, PARSA PARSAHYA PUCHA, ARIYA, ARIYA CICHA” –  Darius proudly describes himself in these pregnant words: (PAARSAA, PAARSAAHIYA PUTHRA, AARYA, AARYA CHITHRA). “The Great King, The King Of Kings, A PARSI, THE SON OF A PARSI, AN ARYAN, OF ARYAN SEED” This Proves that the Term ‘Parsi’ was widely used even in Antiquity. Hence this proves that the Term 'Parsi' was in Vogue ages before they came to India, by the Iranian Kings, mainly from the region of Pars or modern day Fars. Reference to this Inscription: 1.) https://www.parsiana.com/current-issue/articles.aspx?id=VsWWjWdXlZY%3D

PARA:  There is a general belief that the term ‘Parsi’ was used as an ethnic tribe that came to India from Iran and we were referred to as Parsis only after our arrival in India. Well, that conception is wrong! Even in ancient times the term was used by Iranian kings. King Darius has very clearly written in his Naqsh-e-Rustam inscription, "Framataraam Aadam Darayaavaush... Haxamanishiya, Parsa Parsahya Pucha, Ariya, Ariya Cicha.” Darius proudly describes himself in these words: "Paarsaa, Paarsaahiya Puthra, Aarya, Aarya Chithra (The Great King, The King Of Kings, a Parsi, the Son of a Parsi, an Aryan, of Aryan seed).” This proves that the term Parsi was widely used even in antiquity.

2.) http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/naqsherustam/page2.htm

PARA: Inscriptions on Darius' Tomb 13- pahya3 pucha1, Haxamanishiya2, Parsa3 Parsahya4 pucha1, Ariya2, Ariya3 cicha4 (an Achaemenian2, a Persian3, son1 of a Persian4,an Aryan1, having Aryan2 lineage4)

3.) https://www.cloob.com/c/friends.of.arash/110991070/BAGA_VAZARAKA_AHURA_MAZDA...

PARA: xshayathiya vazraka, xshayathiya xshayathiyanam, xshayath iya dahyunam vispazananam, xshayathiya ahyaya bumiya vazrakaya, duraiapiy , Vishtaspahya pucha, haxamanishiya, parsa parsahya pucha, Ariya Ariya cicha (The Great king, king of the kings, king of all the lands, king of this great clime, far and wide, son of Hystaspes, an Achaemenid, a Persian, son of a Persian, An Aryan, From the Aryan race.)

4.) http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/review-of-prometheus-and-atlas-by-jason-reza-jorjani

PARA: PS: The cuneiform inscription on the tomb of King Darius Hysaspes at Naqsh i Rustam calls him "Parsa Parsahya pucha Ariya Ariya cicha" which apparently means "a Persian, son of a Persian; an Aryan of Aryan ancestry"

5.) https://books.google.co.in/books?id=cr91CwAAQBAJ&pg=PT288&lpg=PT288&dq=Parsa+pucha&source=bl&ots=NRozhvmgq7&sig=ACfU3U0dknxVUN6h4urx74iU0eNcfjehog&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiThNzR4r3jAhXS63MBHeTZBKYQ6AEwAHoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=Parsa%20pucha&f=false

PARA: On the inscriptions of Naqsh-e-Rostam the descent of kings Darius and Xerxes is defines as "hakhamanishiya; parsa, parsahya pucha; ariya, ariyachicha" (an Achaemenid; a Persian, son of a Persian; ariya of ariay Stock.)

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Sources incomplete?
The sources footnoted 6 through 11 (in the lead concerning the Muslim conquest of Persia) give a last name and a year but despite looking like URLs they don't seem to link to anything else. There's nothing I know to do to fix the problem, if it even is a problem. alacarte (talk) 17:49, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Arrival and existence of greatest community in india
In majority encyclopaedia Parsi shown belongs to Mumbai, but actually they come, settle and belong to south gujrat. Their mother tongue is gujrati and there lifestyle is similar to gujrati. But like other gujrati they also migrated to Mumbai for earning in the past..their holy place is Udwada village near Vapi.. it's really worry that these highest contributing community is on the edge of extinct..we should save them..🙏 49.14.135.238 (talk) 15:32, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

"Parsi language" repeat edit
Parsis do not speak a "Parsi language." As a Parsi myself, I know that our native language is a dialect of Gujarati. It may be called "Parsi Gujarati" but its not a separate "Parsi language." Nor do Parsis speak any form of Middle Persian, at least not since the mid-first millennium AD when their Iranian forebears first arrived on the Subcontinent and settled here. Some dude called Wikiavani keeps insisting Parsis speak "Parsi" when this article is about the Zoroastrians of India known as "Parsis" who speak a Gujarati dialect as their native language, as well as Hindi (sometimes), English (since the Raj) and maybe other Indian languages. Enough with this dumb edit! Scarsdale.vibe (talk) 02:00, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Misinformation About Reason for Migration
The scholarly opinion, outlined in later paragraphs and back by archeological evidence, is that parsis did not migrate due to persecution but mostly for economic reasons.

"However, while Parsi settlements definitely arose along the western coast of the Indian subcontinent following the Arab conquest of Iran, it is not possible to state with certainty that these migrations occurred as a result of religious persecution against Zoroastrians. If the "traditional" 8th century date (as deduced from the Qissa) is considered valid, it must be assumed "that the migration began while Zoroastrianism was still the predominant religion in Iran and economic factors predominated the initial decision to migrate."

Why is the misinformation about "escape religious persecution and conversion to Islam" still highlighted in multiple of the first paragraphs? 2601:602:8700:D5ED:F4DA:96CF:5CDD:9F5B (talk) 10:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

parsis
However, while Parsi settlements definitely arose along the western coast of the Indian subcontinent following the Arab conquest of Iran, it is not possible to state with certainty that these migrations occurred as a result of religious persecution against Zoroastrians. If the "traditional" 8th century date (as deduced from the Qissa) is considered valid, it must be assumed "that the migration began while Zoroastrianism was still the predominant religion in Iran and economic factors predominated the initial decision to migrate." 111.92.67.171 (talk) 13:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)