Talk:Pećanac Chetniks

Rename to "Pećanac Chetniks"
The article should probably be moved to "Pećanac Chetniks". Its a far less clumsy name and I'd beta a lot more common. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 02:27, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

This article should probably be referenced in the lede of the Chetniks article to make it clear there were two Chetnik organisations. Peacemaker67 (talk) 06:20, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Why don't we just merge it into the main article? --Nuujinn (talk) 00:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd prefer that. To me, the Chetniks article should cover all aspects of the Chetnik movement (which is why I consider the 'Yugoslav Army of the Fatherland' should be removed from the first line), and despite the minor role Pecanac played, he is part of the rich tapestry of the pre-war Chetnik movement, and it needs to be made clear that the movement formed by Mihailovic was not an expansion of the formal pre-war Chetnik movement, but a new branch of Chetnik development drawing on general Chetnik traditions. Several sources are available for that. Peacemaker67 (talk) 04:39, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

The period of existence of Pećanac Chetniks
The article does not clearly present the time period of existence of Black Chetniks collaborationist forces. The infobox shows only years. Here is what the text of the article says about it:
 * The first sentence defines Pećanac Chetniks as:
 * The Pećanac Chetniks, also known as the Black Chetniks, were a collaborationist Chetnik irregular military force which operated in the German-occupied territory of Serbia under the leadership of vojvoda (war lord) Kosta Pećanac.
 * The infobox presents only Allegiance to Nazi Germany and its puppet govt in Serbia
 * The main body of the article presents important information about period April-August 1941:
 * Shortly before the Axis invasion of Yugoslavia in April 1941, the Yugoslav Ministry of the Army and Navy requested that Pećanac prepare for guerrilla operations and guard the southern area of Serbia, Macedonia, and Kosovo from pro-Bulgarians and pro-Albanians in the region. He was given arms and money, and managed to arm several hundred men in the Toplica River valley in southern Serbia.

Based on cited assertions presented in the article and based on common sense it can be concluded that the collaborationist Black Chetniks existed since August 1941 so I added diff more precise dates of existence of this unit to infobox (August 1941– March 43). My edit was reverted (diff) by Peacemaker67 with explanation "This group existed from the time of the invasion".

There are two possible positions:
 * 1) if the Black Chetniks existed since April 1941 the first sentence and infobox are incorrect and article does not meet WP:NPOV and WP:GAC because in the first four months of its existence (April-August 1941) this unit was not collaborationist but operated as guerilla force against the order of the Yugoslav Ministry of the Army and Navy to fight against Axis and pro-Axis forces, which he did when he fought against Albanian bands in early summer 1941.
 * 2) if the Black Chetniks existed since August 1941 then my addition of precise period of existence was justified.

, are you sure that you still support position that existed from the time of the invasion? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:31, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) If yes, please correct the text of the first sentence and infobox details to present first four months of non-collaborationst period of existence
 * 2) If not, please revert your last removal
 * As I've told you many times, I won't be dictated to by you. If you think changes should be made, make them yourself and we will work it out based on the reliable sources. If you read the requirements of MOS:LEADSENTENCE you would know that the first sentence tells the non-specialist reader what the subject is and establishes notability, ie what the subject is known for. This organisation is known for being a collaborationist force, not for a few months when it did nothing except fight Albanians. The first sentence is completely within policy, as is the infobox, which shows the allegiance the organisation had for almost the whole of its existence. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:40, 25 September 2019 (UTC)