Talk:Pedee people

Assessment comment
Substituted at 02:34, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Comment
Please do not post photos that are not credibly sourced on this page. Posting a photo of people simply claiming to be Pee Dee does not meet Wikipedia posting standards. (Alolyphant (talk) 16:40, 13 August 2016 (UTC))
 * The final section is about people who claim to be Pedee today. This individual claims to be Pedee. Just because this person belongs to a group you don't deem to be Pedee doesn't mean anything, since the name of the group and its status with the State of South Carolina is listed in the caption. Take it up with the State of South Carolina. You are pushing a POV, which is absolutely fine on your own personal blog, but not here. Yuchitown (talk) 21:13, 13 August 2016 (UTC)Yuchitown

--Per SC House Bill Wording Native American Group” means a number of individuals assembled together, which have different characteristics, interests and behaviors that do not denote a separate ethnic and cultural heritage today, as they once did. The group is composed of both Native American Indians and other ethnic races. They are not all related to one another by blood--Please stop pushing your own POV. There is no proof that the people in the photo are Pee Dee. (Alolyphant (talk) 11:26, 14 August 2016 (UTC)) Alolyphant (talk) 11:26, 14 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm not pushing a POV. The final section is for people today who claim descent from Pedee people. All the groups are listed as they are listed in the South Carolina's website. You've tried to suggest there were more Pedee people in 1808 than historical records acknowledge; you've tried to hide the fact that Pedee people owned African American slaves. Because of this ongoing, tedious process, I stripped the article down from pure fantasy to what's actually in the historical record, which is very little. The Wikipedia process works because the article is now vastly superior to what it was a week again. If you want to publish new information about groups claiming descent from Pedee people, that's what blogs, newspapers, websites, journals, etc. are for. Yuchitown (talk) 16:46, 14 August 2016 (UTC)Yuchitown

With all due respect, you edited (completely changed) the heading of the final section to read 'descendants'. From reading your edits on this page and the pages of other ethnic groups and/or state recognized tribes it appears that you may need to reevaluate your ability to remain objective toward these types of pages. It is apparent that you have a biased against non-federal tribes. If your inappropriate behavior continues on this page I will begin editing your unsourced, personal opinions on all of the other pages you edited relating to ethnic groups & state recognized tribes. Please stop vandalizing pages with biased opinions, questionable sources that do not meet Wikipedia standards & your harassment of users who do not relent to your POV. With the utmost respect Alolyphant (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The manner in which you are parroting back terms I've used reveals that you have not read any of the essays about them. Citing sources explains what constitutes an acceptable source, and Neutral point of view, Verifiability, and No original research are other core essays to read. I had my copy of Handbook of North American Indians out so figured I'd edit neighboring groups whose articles were woefully neglected. The Waccamaw Siouan tribe has a recorded history that continues through the 19th and 20th centuries, so I added cited material about that. You don't know my personal opinions, because I don't post them on Wikipedia. To understand what vandalism is, please read Vandalism. Adding material published in respected ethnographic and historic texts that you don't happen to agree with is not vandalism. Yuchitown (talk) 03:00, 16 August 2016 (UTC)Yuchitown


 * Alolyphant, please provide actual verifiable sources (with URL) for any material you want to add, or provide sources to prove something in there is incorrect. Otherwise, drop the stick.   Montanabw (talk) 07:24, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

If you look at "Catawba and Neighboring Groups" in Handbook of North American Indians, Mooney's The Siouan Tribes of the East, and Swanton's The Indian Tribes of North America, all information about the Pedee (all the texts use this spelling, most likely to distinguish between the Pee Dee River and the archaeological Pee Dee culture) from these sources in included in the article. There wasn't much, but no picking or choosing occurred. Yuchitown (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2016 (UTC)Yuchitown

Surnames
This paragraph was completely uncited, so I'm moving it here to the talk page:

"Common names in the Pee Dee tribes are Oxendine, Chavis, Deas, Williams, Galphin, Jeffcoat, Gleaton, Hoover, Hutto, Bolin, Locklear, Jones, James, Wise, Argoe, Braveboy, Pendarvis, Sweat, Owens, Quick, and many others."

If anyone wants to create new articles for the contemporary organizations identifying as Pedee descendents, go for it. Just remember to cite everything with reliable, secondary published sources. Yuchitown (talk)Yuchitown