Talk:Pedestrian scramble

Illustrations
How exactly does the new picture show the barnes dance? It just looks like a bunch of people crossing the street - could be any intersection in the world, in fact. In the old picture a traffic light was clearly visible showing that pedestrians could cross in both directions. -Ld | talk 20:20, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

External link
Perhaps an external link: "Improving flow of pedestrians" -- http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002906835_bumper03m.html -- Concerning Seattle 1st and Pike intersection, and others Brianhe 23:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


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Move. —Wknight94 (talk) 19:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Barnes Dance → pedestrian scramble – Barnes Dance is a very rarely used phrase, pedestrian scramble is more often used and a better description. See the googlefight for proof of the popularity of pedestrian scramble compared to Barnes Dance Daniel Olsen 07:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

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 * Support as nominator. --Daniel Olsen 07:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. --Polaron | Talk 13:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Bendono 01:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
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Observation on the move request
The historic move request used a Googlefight as the main argument. I note that this Googlefight uses quotation marks around the expression 'Barnes Dance', but not around the expression 'pedestrian scramble'. Repeating the Googlefight with quotation marks around both expressions gives a rather different result. Just an observation. Schwede66 (talk) 09:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Well spotted Schwede66. In New Zealand, where this pedestrian crossing system was introduced in 1958 it was always called "Barnes Dance" in my experience - if you want a little gratuitous Google evidence on this, a .nz domain search on these two terms reveals 20 times the number of hits for "Barnes Dance". Hence the small text changes I have made today. Obert (talk) 17:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Bicycle Scramble
"In many cities in the Netherlands a similar system is used to allow cyclists to cross busy intersections."

I don't believe that is true, as I live in Amsterdam (bike city), and the only pedestrian scramble I've ever seen was in Sydney at the intersect of George street and Park street. But I could be wrong. 85.144.208.112 15:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I have uploaded a video clip to Youtube that shows a Barnes Dance for cyclists (pedestrians are not include) in operation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkyuC7-CaIs This technique will also feature in a design guide written for Bicycle Victoria, which is to be published (I believe) before the end of 2009. I thus suggest that a section on this provision for cyclists be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Axel-schwede (talk • contribs) 23:49, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Pedestrain scramble - List of locations
Recommened reinserting the list of Pedestrian Scramble locations as link to the main article. Included in the main article may be "unencyclopedic" but certainly has value on its own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.121.19.13 (talk) 17:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That would be crazy. Such intersections are countless. It would be hard to name all such intersections in, say, US, let alone whole world. Admiral Norton (talk) 17:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I wouldn't say there are "countless" such configurations, though I would say that the list could nonetheless become bloated. My bigger concern would be in verifying any such locations that have been added to the list. -- Bossi  ( talk • gallery • contrib ) 20:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd rather see the list of cities which employs pedestrian scramble. SYSS Mouse (talk) 15:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Where Scrambles are common, it could be enough just to name that country. Where they are rare, then the city or exact location could be mentioned. There is a fairly new (from earlier 2010 to my knowledge) Pedestrian Scramble in Shanghai, at the crossing of Huaihai Road and Huangpi Road. I could contribute a photo if anyone cares. JLo, 06.OCT.2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.41.221.215 (talk) 13:40, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I think there is a diagonal pedestrian crossing in Beverly Hills, CA/Los Angeles/Hollywood/Westwood someplace.192.122.237.11 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC).

Place Names
In this article are very US-centric. I'm not sure how best to modify the article, but I think this could use some cleanup. --ktims (talk) 07:42, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

"Barnes Dance"
at http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=27&id=26049 (DOT Gathers Locals To Help Re-Design “Gateway To Brooklyn” by Samuel Newhouse) I saw this mondegreen: It was also suggested that “barn-stands” be put in place at every intersection along Tillary, which would allow simultaneous crossing on all four sides and diagonal crossing from corner to corner — similar to what is permitted at Court and Montague streets in Downtown Brooklyn. I'm considering creating a redirect for "barn stands", given that both they and "Barnes dance" are both rare phrases. Mang (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

"Pros and Cons"
The pros and cons section has a paragraph of cons nobody would likely argue and a paragraph with an unsupported claim that some intersections can "greatly benefit" from the pedestrian scramble. Is there any research to support this?

Japan Section is a Disaster
I am going to fix this. Please feel free to leave feedback regarding my changes.InformationvsInjustice (talk) 20:42, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

24.61.131.49 (talk) 04:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Compare/contrast
Pedestrian Scramble Crossings – A Tale of Two Cities Worth including? Mapsax (talk) 23:43, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

To add to article
To add to this article: how were vehicles and pedestrians alerted to the fact that it was time for pedestrians to walk through the intersection? Was there a traffic light or bell? This really is basic information that should already have been in the article. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 01:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)