Talk:Perry Cox

Changes
I'm making some changes which will emphasize that he is narcissistic but also a fantastically talented doctor.

Percival 'Perry' Cox
I think the comment in episode 2.20 does prove Cox's true first name to be Percival. Bob Kelso's true first name (Robert) is not questioned, even though it is rarely mentioned in the show. Also, the accuracy of IMDB on this can be questioned, as the 2.20 page lists 'Ted Buckland' as that character's true name (his real name being Theodore.) I would agree with Lachatdelarue's suggestion. Percival should not be listed as a nickname, but the opening lines of the article should mention the speculation about Pervical/Perry as his name. EJB341, 23rd August 06

I don't understand this or the entry on the actual article. Perry is short for Percival, like Nick is short for Nicholas, and Beth or Liz is short for Elizabeth. It's very simple. Why is there discussion about a nickname, etc. - why be confusing? Why even have that last section, why not just put it at the top somewhere - "Percival (Perry) Cox"? And then refer to him as Perry for the rest of the article because that is what he appears to normally go by. Kiriki 03:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Actualy Percy is short for Percival, but that doesn't matter. JD's name is John Dorian, does that automatically mean his full name is Jonathan? Not neccessarly. It's whatever your parents decide to call you (or what the writers choose to call you). --Ted87 16:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the fact that two characters have referred him to by the name Percival is evidence enough that it's his full first name. Jeff Silvers 01:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * As oppose to the hunreds of times characters reffered to him as "Perry". --Ted87 23:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

When Molly reads Dr. Cox's badge when she first meets him she reads "Perry" not Percieval. --Ted87 22:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Any and all instances of "Perry" can be attributed to that being the character's preferred name. Instances of "Percival" should be accepted unless there is a real reason to presume that they are inaccurate (as opposed to "well, we can't be totally sure"). The question at hand is, why would anyone use "Percival" if it was not, in fact, his name? Why would the writers lie? Slurms MacKenzie 06:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

It is not uncommon in real life to see people use extended names even if they are not legal. My nametag observation contradicts the first sentence you wrote as hospital tags have only offical names (I'm pretty sure of). In any regards the title of this article should be "Perry Cox" for the same reason "William Gates" article is is titled "Bill Gates". --Ted87 22:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

His name is Percival. Quote straight from Series 2 Episode 18 (My Drama Queen) Jordan: You're right Percival, Quinn is a floopy name. The name is Percival Cox. 82.45.55.120 21:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Jordan was making fun of his name by elongating it. His sister Paige remarked that "Perry is worse." when he criticized her name. Obviously, if Percival were his full name she would have substituted that. 71.247.17.54 00:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Check and mate, proof that his name is Percival (http://www.rateyourdoc.org/bios/cox.htm) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.142.37 (talk) 04:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * heh, i saw the same thing, you beat me to it here.--Jac16888 (talk) 04:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

''' Sorry, mate (pun not intended), but THIS: http://www.nbc.com/Scrubs/bios/mcginley.shtml is the final checkmate. If anybody has got it right, it's got to be the official NBC channel site.'''

What does that prove? It the NBC site also lists Kelso as "Bob Kelso," is that definitive proof that his name is not actually Robert? Moreover, I'm pretty sure in the first episode with Jordan, she calls him Percival and Dr. Cox orders JD to pretend he never heard that. While not explicit, that exchange certainly implies that his full name is Percival and he is ashamed of it. Nsfreeman (talk) 20:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Dr. Cox and Dr. Kelso
Isn't it interesting that Dr. Cox and Dr. Kelso grew up within 15 minutes of each other (Perry in Pittsburgh and Bob in Monroeville, Pennsylvania)? Should this be mentioned in one of their articles? Mmace91 00:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it's utterly irrelevant. Say there were two famous footballers from New York - would we really put on each other's pages that they came from the same city? People come from the same place without ever meeting, not to mention Kelso is a lot older than Cox - unless there was some notable occasion where they met before Sacred Heart, then leave it out. mattbuck 18:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Peculiarities
He doesn't just call JD by a girl's name when he's angry. He does it all the time. He just uses the name "Newbie" more when he's in a good mood. I think that the article should be reworded to reflect that he's not always upset when he calls JD by a girl's name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.185.176 (talk • contribs)

Article name
I know it's not completely confirmed whether his full first name is Percival or not, but shouldn't this article at least be moved to "Perry Cox" or something else of that nature? --Kevin W. 00:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope. As you just said, neither's confirmed-- SU IT  42 06:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

His coat title
Does anybody know what his coat says under "Dr. (Something) Cox, MD?" Or what it says where I wrote "(Something)?"

RebDrummer61 22:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It says:
 * Dr. Perry Cox M.D.
 * Dept. of Internal Medicine
 * EdenMaster 04:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

On Names
The first question on what Dr. Cox should be refered to in the title is what his actual name is. Properly, it should be whatever the writers name him, which would be found in either the script (whick, like somg lyrics, may have been released) or in the starting or ending credits. Remember, parents have various reasons for choosin names. For example, my brother's name is "Ben" rather than "Benjamin" because my last name is three sylabels and eleven letters long, so polysylabic first names were out of the question.

The second consideration is whether a fictional media personality should be known by public or "legal" name. This question revolves around whether a character should be discussed from the perspective of the fictional universe or the audience.

Additionally, I'm fairly certain that "Gandhi" is not the most common epithet used for Turk.

Jack's Dad
Both here and on the episode page, the wording makes it unclear if Spence tells Dr. Cox that Dr. Cox is the father or if Spence tells Dr. Cox that Spence is the father. The pronoun is unclear and I don't know the answer (though I'd presume Dr. Cox is).Nsfreeman 19:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Just watched an episode, Dr. Cox is the father. I'll change the wording.Nsfreeman 23:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Relationship with Carla
In the episode "My Overkill" Carla definitely says "idealise me" not "idolise". I re-watched the line to make sure, plus it makes more sense than "idolise" anyway. I don't know how reliable the transcript is so I'm changing it. Lozregan 15:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You are wrong. firstly the transcript says idolize, secondly, having watched said bit several time, she quite clearly says idolize. finally, if you bring up definitions of the too words,

idolize makes the most sense--Jac16888 15:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * idolize- love unquestioningly and uncritically or to excess
 * idealise-To give an ideal form or value to something

Idolise doesn't fit with what she says before; "You're not in love with me". So how does it make sense that she also believes that he loves her unquestioningly? The point made is that Cox romanticises the idea of Carla and a relationship with her (and the fact that she is unavailable adds to this) and doesn't consider the reality.

And if you just listen she clearly says "idealise"! She says too many syllables for "idolise" for a start.Lozregan 22:07, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Marriage
In "My Super Ego", Dr. Cox refers to going home to his wife during his intern days. This would've been in about 1986, when he was about 23. I doubt this is a reference to Jordan, I don't think he knew her that early. Still, has this woman ever been referred to later, or ever? Because I watch the show all the time and Dr. Cox mentioning a different wife just came right out of the blue. VolatileChemical 15:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * i'm pretty sure he's only been married to jordan, they would make a bigger deal out of it if he had been married before. also, he prop new jordan during his intern days as she is the daughter of one of the board members, perhaps thats how they met?--Jac16888 16:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Whistling
Shouldn't there be some reference to his whistling? i agreeeeeeeeeeee —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Picture
I think this article needs a picture of Dr. Cox.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.171.32 (talk) 18:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It had one, but it was deleted the other day, feel free to upload a new one--Jac16888 01:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Actor names necessary?
I noticed in this article, after the first mention of any character name, it then puts the associated actor's name in parenthesis. (I.E. "He is the sarcastic, bitter mentor of John "J.D." Dorian (Zach Braff), the show's main character.") None of the other Scrubs character's articles do this, (that I have seen so far), and it seems a little redundant, as you can find out the actor's name simply by clicking the link to the character's article. Not to mention, it makes the flow of the article a little choppy. In my opinion, putting the actor names in parenthesis would only be necessary if the character mentioned did not have their own wikipedia article (like if it was a one-time character on a sketch show). So should these be removed? CherryFlavoredAntacid 18:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Seems fair. mattbuck 18:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Promotion
The article states Cox hasn't been promoted because he refuses to accept help from others. This doesn't make any sense. He always accepts help, albeit while deeply insulting the person giving it.

Cox hasn't been promoted because he (rightly) thinks his superiors are morons. Lots42 02:22, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * See My Case Study, where he tries to convince JD that asking for help makes you weak, but realises its not so and asks board woman to put in a good word for him, then My Lucky Night, which is very similar, he's wants the Residency Director job, but can't get it on his own, and is able to swallow his pride and ask Jordan to help him--Jac16888 02:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know the episode name but it's the one when Jordan reveals that she slept with JD to Perry, she also says (in front of Perry) about how Kelso hs been making him jump through hoops for a promotion he filed for months ago.

Head Hurting
The article seems to be full of 'It's a surprise Cox actually tries to help people'. I don't get it and it's making my head spin. Cox is a self-obsessed narcicisstic blowhard but if it came down to insulting Barbie and Newbie -or- helping a patient, he'd help the patient every time. I'm probably being a dork but Cox is a good guy and it should be stressed more. And why do I keep writing it as Xoc? Lots42 02:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Changes
I made multiple changes; mostly to remove speculation. 'It can be assumed' and 'probably' and other similar phrases don't belong in Wikipedia. Please. Lots42 (talk) 20:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Atheism
I noticed that Dr. Cox was listed under the Fictional Atheists category. Did he mention on the show that he was an atheist? I know there was one time he said, "Laverne believes in God, which is funny to me." But that doesn't necessarily mean he's atheist. Did I miss something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.34.217.222 (talk) 01:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC) good point and in more than one episode he talks to jesus or god i cant remember but he was talking to them in more than one episode so he cant be atheist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.159.197.82 (talk) 04:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * He definitely comes off as an atheist in the show.  Enigma  msg! 02:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe it is mentioned in the episode with his religious sister.Cublue (talk) 04:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just saw that episode: I do not believe his atheism was confirmed or disproven or whatever. Lots42 (talk) 07:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've seen this show way too many times, and Perry is (like most atheists) comfortable in his disbelief in God. (I too, am an atheist) He DEFINITELY does not believe in God, but will (like me) often make references to Him. He uses lines like "He's got my back, even if I don't technically believe in him" and tells Laverne to thank Jesus for him. It is very common for a comfortable atheist to talk to God. I know that I like to ask Him why He made my bowling swing go off. In summation: Perry does not believe in God, but likes to joke about it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.163.244.168 (talk) 04:43, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it sounds more like you're an agnostic - there wouldn't be any reason for an atheist to talk to god. 67.10.239.13 (talk) 00:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Politics
I don't see how Cox ranting against republicans matters against him being an Independent. Cox will rant against anything he finds stupid, hell, even if he doesn't -know- why he finds it stupid (such as Hugh Jackman). Lots42 (talk) 23:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Name
Completely off-topic and Original Research, but is it just me or is he called Cox because he's excessively "cocky"? 219.89.144.112 (talk) 08:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Family Life
In one of the newer episodes, J.D. makes a reference as to how -both- Perry's parents were alcoholic crazy-types and Perry doesn't argue. Interesting note IMHO. Lots42 (talk) 08:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Relationship With J.D.
In the J.D. section of this aritcle, it states that he is the godfather of Jennifer Dylan; In the episode in which this happens J.D. is replaced with Jack as the godfather of the child. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.10.2.247 (talk) 00:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

~ Possible FRIENDS referrance?
I've seen it pointed out in various places on the internet, and it most likely had no relevance, but the name Perry Cox could be made up of the second names of the actors playing Chandler and Monica in FRIENDS (Matthew PERRY and Courteney COX). Any ideas? 82.7.115.187 (talk) 15:54, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

That is a resonable suggestion, however the actress playing monica is in fact Corteney Cox Arquette. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred000001 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't she become Cox-Arquette after marriage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.114.148.141 (talk) 09:14, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Still Residency director?
Although there has been no mention of it so far, I am unsure that Dr Cox is still the residency director at Sacred Heart as he is now the Chief of Medicine. Any thoughts?

Davidbhoy2805 (talk) 01:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC) i agree, he was made chief of medicine after dr. maddox left. in fact, he is now firends with dr. kelso, who gives him advice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.225.89.149 (talk) 02:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Alma mater
In the episode my soul on fire, when jordan talks to cox in his office about halfway throuh the episode, in the background it has a deploma for cox saying hale huniversity. im too lazy to check specifics on this, but should we talk edit his alma mater? -Tobi4242 (talk) 00:31, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Request for Comments
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 05:26, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Who the hell is Ted?
The relationships category talks about Jordan's relationship to Ted. Who's Ted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.114.148.141 (talk) 09:13, 12 May 2015 (UTC)