Talk:Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses/Archive 1

This article is extremely limited in comprehensiveness. --BEN

This article suggests towards the end that, in Canada during WWII, Japanese and Chinese citizens were interned in concentration camps. I know for a fact this is true of Japanese-Canadians, but I have never heard of Chinese-Canadians suffering the same persecution. Unless anyone has evidence that this happened somewhere in Canada, I think it should be removed.

I removed the last website, as it was mostly reductio ad hitlerum, and unrelated to the topic of persecution OF, when it would more likely need to go into an article on persecution FROM, Jehovah's Witnesses. 63.113.199.109

Persecution By Jehovah's Witnesses
It's nice to see that the persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses is being faithfully documented by impartial editors however, if the persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses is to be documented then the persecution by Jehovah's Witnesses should also be documented.

For example

1/ Jehovah's Witnesses themselves who expose flaws in doctrine are persecuted by Jehovah's Witnesses.

2/ It is very hard to find any Jehovah's Witnesses being persecuted for Jesus Christ's name sake except in recent circumstances where Jehovahs Witnesses themselves have pointed out that Jesus Christ's laws and commandments are being undermined by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and it's Governing Body. These people are being excluded (persecuted - Mt 5:11) from the organization through a formal announcement in their Kingdom Halls that; "insert name here is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses". This in turn fullfills the bible prophecy at Romans 9:26- "and in the place where it was said to them, ‘YOU are not my people,'"

3/ The Watchtower Quotes Web site was forced to shut down by Watchtower legal entities in Canada. It was a site which simply put short quotes from the Watchtower Publications on it's web pages. The Watchtower themselves have fought very hard for the right to talk at almost everybodies doorstep on the earth and yet fought equally as hard to stop the Watchtower Quotes Web site from publishing just small snippets of what it is they told them to say at those very same doorsteps. In this instance the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society have persecuted the owner of the Watchtower Quotes Web Site for telling the truth. The exact same kind of persecution the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society claims to receive. To fully appreciate how insidious the persecution of this courageous web site owner was, please carefully consider the following quote from the August 15th, 2005 Watchtower Magazine on page 15 paragraph 6:

"Suppose you were called to testify in court against a ruthless criminal. You know that the criminal has a powerfull organization and will use every means to prevent you from exposing him. For you to bear witness against such a criminal would require courage."

There should be plenty to publish regarding persecution by Jehovah's Witnesses.

The other side of the story should not be witheld from the Wikipedia audience.

Separate listing for "BY"

That would be a completely separate topic that would need another listing in Wikipedia. None of the above fits the article here and would come dangerously close to violating Wikipedia guidelines regarding articles regarding religious topics Airelon (talk) 21:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Persecution in Germany
1) It says "The Nazi government gave detained Jehovah's Witnesses the option if they were to submit to the state authority, serve in the military and renounce the Bible as "false doctrine" they would be free to go." - that seems weird, did the Nazis really ask anybody to "renounce the Bible as false doctrine" ? Wasn't it something more like "renounce their doctrines" ? Seems to me the nazis still tried to keep the appearance of being christians, or at least not anti-christian. Any sources on that (I found nothing looking rapidly through the links)

2) I read somewhere that the "German Bible Students Association" split off from the Watchtower Society when, after the war, they finally got wind of the changes that occured. If that is true (and we'd need some better sources), it'd be worth mentioning here. Flammifer 05:03, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Ernste Bibelforscher
"Ernste Bibelforscher" is a derogatory term of Jehovah's Witnesses, and they didn't accept this term. So, you can understand that Nazis hated them. 61.22.157.95 15:41, 24 August 2005 (UTC) a little something extra-the Nazis did trust the Witnesses enough though to let some of them do personal work for the soldiers such as-cutting their hair, preparing their meals for them and other things that regular Jews weren't aloud to do. so i guess my point would be that even though the Witnesses hated what the Nazis stood for and did, the Nazis still knew that they wouldn't (and didn't) do anything to hurt them.

Persecution in the Soviet Union
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered persecution also in the Soviet Union. The most interesting example is the deportation of 9,400 Jehovah's Witnesses from the Baltic States, Moldova, Belarus and Ukraine in 1951. This should be included in this article too. It seems that these also were given the option to renounce their faith to avoid the deportation. Soukie 09:33, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, this should be added. Solzhenitsyn mentions meeting some Jehovah's Witnesses in 'The Gulag Archipelago' as well. Lisiate 04:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)