Talk:Perugia

Seattle
Perugia is also twinned with Seattle, Washington

Corrections
The corrections I just made:
 * 1. For spelling, see the official site; and of course, that's the proper spelling of the Italian word for "kisses"; singular: bacio.


 * 2. Perugina was founded in 1907, see this page at official site; since it's the company that made Perugia chocolate famous, I deleted 19th century. I didn't substitute "20c", because now we just don't know. Perugia may well have been famous for chocolate &#8212; Italy in general was &#8212; in the 18c.


 * 3. According to the respective official websites (Baci di Perugina, Hershey's) Perugina started making Baci in 1922, and Hershey's starting making kisses in 1907. Therefore Baci are not a precursor at all of Hershey's Kisses, but the reverse. Since the comparison is kinda immaterial anyway &#8212; they're really not related chocolates &#8212; I removed the whole bit. Bill 13:44, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I hadn't done much research, just found a site that said what I wrote about the comparison to Hershey's. And you're right about the spelling. Perugina is now owned by Nestle it seems. I found a site that gave some info about the history. Nestle Baci --Chammy Koala 16:24, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Universities
I know the city has another university, Universitá di Perugia perhaps, but I can't remember the exact name. I think there might also be a couple other small schools around as well. Anyone know for sure? Pnkrockr 19:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The full name of the university is Università degli Studi di Perugia, whose latin name was Studium Generale Civitatis Perusii MCCCVIII. Anyway both universities are in the en wikipedia: University of Perugia and Foreigners University of Perugia. Other schools are the Umbria Institute for American students, a Conservatory, the Berklee Jazz Clinics from Boston during Umbria Jazz, and the Università dei Sapori, meaningly University of Tastes, a national school for alimentary education.--Grifomaniacs 14:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the info on the Universities. The American one is actually called the Umbra Institute.  I went there for a semester (as well as doing a month course at Stranieri).  Thanks! Pnkrockr 14:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok. But I forgot two others main schools: the Accademia delle belle arti (Art Academy) and the Scuola di giornalismo radio televisivo (a radio-television journalism school owned by RAI).--Grifomaniacs 12:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Transport
Its a pity that there is nothing about transport here, includuing the unique minimetro (automated railway system) as described in the Italian language Wikipedia pagess

I'd add it myself, but barely understanding Italian I don't want to do it badly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.159.43.76 (talk) 21:57, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Medieval aqueduct?
I am somewhat surprised that the aqueduct shown in the picture is described as 'medieval'. I am not familiar with Perugia myself, but I would think that this is actually a Roman aqueduct and thus predates medieval times. Hadoriel (talk) 22:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

The aqueduct was built around 1300 to bring water to the Fontana Maggiore. It is a common misconception that it dates from Roman times. It certainly doesn't and is certainly medieval. There are plenty of sources for this, such as Zappelli's 'Caro Viario'. She puts the construction somewhere between 1255 and 1277. Bilby4 (talk) 02:56, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Question
The text below was removed from the article. Is there any way to save any of the text via a rewrite, and if it would not be suitable for this article, is there another article it would be suitable for? It doesn't seem inherently unencyclopedic, and it is certainly verifiable.


 * Giuliano Mignini, Public Prosecutor for the Umbria Region, was convicted of 'abuse of office' on 22 January 2010. He was convicted of exceeding his powers by tapping the phones of police officers and journalists. On 19 April 2011, the Committee to Protect Journalists, based in New York, sent a letter to the Italian authorities complaining of violence and intimidation used by the Perugia authorities to silence journalists who disagreed with them.

--John (talk) 05:41, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above text is not correct. Public Prosecutors ("Pubblico Ministero") are not of particular regions, but of the Italian State. At the same time under Italian laws authorities are not of Perugia, but of Italy. With these two modifications, it is clear that the proposed text does not belong to this article. --Grifomaniacs (talk) 22:29, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Comments
I think it can be kept, but not in the International festival of journalism section, rather it is best suited to stay with the main case. I guess it's time to put some info on Meredith Kercher's murder in the article, after all it is of international relevance and in some way has changed the way Perugia citizens look at the students coming from abroad. By the way, the second reference link you propose is not working. --Cantalamessa (talk) 10:21, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It is working now. the CPJ site was down for a while. Thanks for your input. I'll put the information back in. CodyJoeBibby (talk) 16:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It might be better to let someone more experienced do it. The wording you proposed was a non-starter. --John (talk) 19:18, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Perhaps create a section titled "Controversial events" (or similar?) and add that in 1985, the body of Doctor Francesco Narducci was found in nearby Lake Trasimeno, and add other issues related to the Monster of Florence case, regarding Mario Spezi and Douglas Preston. If this section was added near the bottom of the article, there would be more room to grow, then perhaps split as a new article "Controversies in Perugia" (or such). Also, the recent student population of 39,000+ students should be noted, in the upper text, to emphasize how the town is "overrun" seasonally by students, and perhaps mention the effects of hashish or drug culture there, as well. But keep each issue short, to avoid WP:UNDUE details about any one of the many controversial issues. -Wikid77 20:59, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Please use better wording and give the fact the importance it deserves, no more no less, with short sentences. --Cantalamessa (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Strongly disagree to do a Controversial events (?) section. That would be WP:COATRACK. Absolutely we could add the student population of 39,000 or so students. Official figures speak about an extra population of 20,000 students inhabitants in 2001 http://www.comune.perugia.it/resources/docs/piano_strategico/verso_il_piano/capitolo1.pdf [Italian] [pdf] (so the difference are local students). Drug culture is not typical of Perugia, it is a global issue, however official statistics about consumptions in Perugia could be considered. The Narducci case should be dealed in the Monster of Florence article page, and in a dedicate page about Francesco Narducci.--Grifomaniacs (talk) 22:29, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I apologise if I seem obtuse, but I fail to see the relevance to an article on the city of Perugia of the Monster of Florence case[s]. According to our article, at least, the murders took place in the Province of Florence. If Narducci’s body was found in Lake Trasimeno, clearly it was not found within the commune of Perugia. Our article on Douglas Preston makes no mention of Perugia. Etc. Ian Spackman (talk) 23:27, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * To me as well, these informations are relevant to other pages than Perugia. Just to answer you, there are connections because Narducci was from Perugia and because a homicide commited near the Lake Trasimeno (in the Province of Perugia) is prosecuted by a territorially competent office in Perugia, the "Procura della Repubblica" (Office of the prosecutor of the Republic of Italy). But in this article we could speak about statistics on murders in Perugia (very low compared to those of other European regions, source Urban Audit), at the most, just not to focus on single cases, relevant only to themselves.--Grifomaniacs (talk) 23:52, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * What about the issues of press freedom being restricted in Perugia? The fact that Mignini has been prosecuted for abuse of office? CodyJoeBibby (talk) 08:39, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * First question: it is an unsourced allegation. No media outlet or press agency, neither the above mentioned CPJ letter, stated that press freedom is restricted in Perugia. I repeat I think we should not discuss about recent news and have a historical perspective on these matters here. Instead, the CPJ letter could be relevant in the MoMK article. Regarding Mignini, he has been prosecuted by a Florentine court in relation to the Monster of Florence murders, so, if notable, this is a matter of that article, not of the article about the city of Perugia. That would be off topic here.--Grifomaniacs (talk) 12:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Issues of press freedom are highly relevant to Perugia as it hosts the journalism festival. I appreciate that you and other Italians may want to censor negative information about Italy. CodyJoeBibby (talk) 15:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, Bibby, I myself am not from Italy and I also find your proposed additions to be ill-informed and problematic. This is an article on a city in Italy.  A copy of a CPJ letter from CPJ's own website fails the Wikipedia's notability and reliable sourcing guidelines, so please, drop this WP:COATRACK campaign and move on, please. Tarc (talk) 16:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that you and other Italians may want to censor negative information about Italy. No casting of aspersions here, please. I generally second John, Grifomaniacs, Ian and Tarc - the relevance of this information to an article about the city itself is debatable. That Perugia hosts a festival about journalism hardly seems to be a strong reason for retaining it.  Super Mario  Man  19:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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