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Quit editing the controversy

Watch the video, and know the lyrics to the racist song what made the red men red. Quit doing this to credit because Peter Pan is a classic favorite. The truth must be spoken

Find Sources. See WP:V, WP:NOR. Verifiability trumps truth around here. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Sources don't need to be online bucko.

They must be cited though. Also see WP:NPOV. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
The whole section should be removed, given the lyrics quoted are incorrect. The correct lyrics can be seen here [1] Sasaki 10:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Its not just the song that caused controversy but the entire depiction of the indians, who were portrayed and slouching, half-naked men with cherry-red skin. The stereotypical "how" and "ugg" are just a part of it. 68.44.251.120 18:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Until there is specific evidence that Walt Disney's Peter Pan has caused any actual "controversy", I feel this should be left out of the article. The depiction of Native Americans in the film and the song "What Made the Red Man Red" are arguably offensive, but Wikipedia is neutral and one's personal opinion about such things don't belong. Another Disney film, Song of the South, has never been released on video or DVD in the United States because of the racial controversy it has drawn; Peter Pan, on the other hand, has been released multiple times with no such widespread reaction. Placeandtime 05:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Look here, yes there has been reactions to the song and depiction of Indians, and it was even questionable if the DVD 2002's release was ever going to happen. Kevin j 16:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Songs list

I removed the song "Yo Ho (A Pirate's Life For Me)" from the songs list and replaced it with "The Elegant Captain Hook", which was not on the list beforehand and belonged in that spot. "Yo Ho (A Pirate's Life For Me)" is actually the theme song of the Pirates of the Caribbean attraction in the various Disney parks and has nothing to do with the film Peter Pan, although it is similar to another song from that movie, "A Pirate's Life", which remains on the list with its correct title and spot in the songs' order in the film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Placeandtime (talk • contribs) 17:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Tiger Lily's Voice?

There's no voice actress listed for Tiger Lily, even though she does have one word of dialogue ("Help!") Lee M (talk) 04:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

That's probably because she's not credited in the film. JasonAQuest (talk) 13:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
OK... but does anyone know? Lee M (talk) 17:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Nothing on the commentry audio track of the 2-DVD set of Peter Pan. Though I just listened around the Tiger Lily kidnap scene. GraL (talk) 18:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
... however the commentator, at the tme of Tiger Lily's one line (I think John Canemaker, Professor and Head of Animation Studies at NYU Tisch School of the Arts), says "voice casting for the animated features, and particularly those in the era of Peter Pan could rely on an abundant variety of talented performers who had honed their vocal talents on the vauderville stage and in the then prevalenmt medium of radio". So perhaps a vauderville or radio voice-actor. It was only one line - maybe they got a few women or girls to say the line and later chose the best, not noting who it was they finally settled on. (Shrugs shoulders and walks away quietly) GraL (talk) 14:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

NPOV Says Yes, the Portrayal of Indians in Peter Pan is Regarded As Controversy

Historians have regarded this, and it is reliable therefore. It's been over a year since I mentioned it, but now it is time to bring the Controversy section back. Placeandtime, if you've come back to discuss this, no it is a neutral fact that there is controversy.Kevin j (talk) 18:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead, but provide sources. JasonAQuest (talk) 12:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
The source at www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/imagesnatives.html is recursive. It quotes the Internet Movie Database, which quotes Wikipedia! GraL (talk) 15:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Saving Tinkerbell

The original release of the film had Peter Pan talking to the audience and imploring them to clap their hands if they believed in fairies, and this saved Tinkerbell from dying, re: (Initially planned for the film was a scene where Tinker Bell is dying and Peter sings a song to save her. This scene was cut for pacing purposes and Tinker Bell appears with Peter later in the film with no explanation given for her healing). Does anyone know why this isn't in home releases of the film? MADKC640 (talk) 02:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Dream?

Was the whole experience in Neverland a dream based on the ending scene? Angie Y. (talk) 03:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

What do published sources say? Jason A. Quest (talk) 04:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Please stop presenting the "it was a dream" interpretation as a statement of fact. That is one possible interpretation, but it is not the only one. If you find a published source that talks about it, feel free to include a mention that it can be interpreted that way. But it can also be interpreted that they came home, and went to sleep. Jason A. Quest (talk) 14:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I can say that it was an "anbiguous dream", then. That's what Walt Disney himself would believe. He wanted his fans to figure it out for themselves (he hated sequels). Angie Y. (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

"Ambiguous dream" still declares that it was a dream. If you think Disney wanted viewers to figure it out for themselves, why are you so intent on telling them what you think it was? That's not what Wikipedia wants, either. We can report what happened on the screen (they return to London, they go to sleep, they wake up), but not our own opinions of what it might mean. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 18:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, think about this. The clock on Big Ben and the grandfather clock in the Darling house still reads 12:05 the second the ship lowers towards the house.Angie Y. (talk) 00:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
What part of No Original Research do you not understand? Jason A. Quest (talk) 04:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't really think it matters, you can interprete it either way. 74.230.35.136 (talk) 00:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
That's why an encyclopedia article shouldn't present an interpretation of it. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 01:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Racism

I'm surprised there's no section on the racism portrayed towards the Aboriginal/Native American/First Nation's people in the film.

circular references

The source for Tiger Lily and American natives offensant representation seems to be circular. The refe point on http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/imagesnatives.html and in this page contains explicitely

This criticism is also leveled against several more recent adaptations of the story, most notably the 1953 animated Disney film which contains a song often criticized as offensive, "What Makes The Red Man Red?", a catalog of Native American stereotypes." [Wikipedia]:

Also, the article Peter Pan nowadays doesn't contain this sentence nor reference for it... On contrary it's Peter Pan (1953 film) that mention this sentence with the reference on Alex Wainer... --GdGourou - °o° - Talk to me 08:06, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Gross spelling errors

Can someone clean up the numerous spelling errors in the Production section? They're so bad that I think vandalism is the only explanation. I'd do it myself, but the article is semi-protected.

There's "duing" "comming" "egar" "nersery" "Tinki Belle" "piont" "were Captin" "piosion" "Medicene" "atchieve" "envolving" "Mirmaids" "simular" "altematley" "geting" "suport" "dose" and probably many more, including possibly in other sections.65.182.82.248 (talk) 01:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I assume that the changes were well-intended, but the editor has a spelling disability. The content changes aren't all bad, so I don't want to roll them back, but the source he cites should be checked to make sure it's valid, and I'll get to deciphering the text when I can. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 02:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 11 October 2011

I would just like to suggest that this point be highlighted in the disney's peter pan page as I find this rather shameful of disney, Same as they do not recieve any money for the Tinkerbell series. http://www.gosh.org/gen/peterpan/copyright/faq/#disney

"D. Does the hospital or charity receive income from sales of Disney's Peter Pan DVDs and merchandise such as toys, games, etc?"

"A. No, the original contract did not include these since they did not exist in 1939."

A point to be added is that the hospital recieves no income from the sales of Disney's Peter Pan merchandise as this was not in the original contract 77.98.218.122 (talk) 15:11, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

It is not the purpose of Wikipedia articles to shame anyone. Furthermore, GOSH wouldn't receive money for these things regardless of the deal they made with Disney because Peter Pan and Tinker Bell are now in the public domain in the US, UK, etc. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:04, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

You Can Fly !

Is there a link between the main theme of "You Can Fly!" and the main theme of Mozart Oboe Quartet In F, K 370, Third Movement ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.128.114.168 (talk) 10:58, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

This Whole Movie

This Whole Movie always bores me. I dislike it. The songs are boring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.116.44 (talk) 14:01, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

60th Anniversary Diamond Edition

To celebrate the movie's 60th Anniversary and a Diamond Edition Blu-ray release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucasmoura (talk • contribs) 21:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

February 5, 2013: 60th Anniversary celebration and Diamond Edition release

Peter Pan (1953 film) celebrates 60th anniversary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.64.149.42 (talk) 15:03, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

60th Anniversary

Peter Pan celebrates 60th Anniversary after released in Diamond Edition on Blu-ray on February 5, 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.64.150.137 (talk) 03:23, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Verna Felton not included

The film not includes Verna Felton to make the voice of Squaw. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.64.150.137 (talk) 21:21, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2014

please do not protect peter pan. Memememe3300 (talk) 21:21, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. Kap 7 (talk) 21:32, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

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Tinker Bell w/ Reese Witherspoon

I don't understand. The upcoming remake announcement basically ended anymore talks about the Tink spin-off. It's been years since it was announced and nothing has been made of it. Heck, a few years before Reese was on board, Elizabeth Banks was to play in it. It's been in development hell for a long time and I don't see it coming anytime soon. If it has to be on the page, at least put down the possibility of its cancellation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HenryBarnill (talk • contribs) 10:14, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Doesn't have to be on the page, but you removed it without any edit summary. Onel5969 TT me 12:34, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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Copyright

Peter Pan have a copyright:

COPYRIGHT 1952 (MCMLII) WALT DISNEY PRODUCTIONS ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.255.216.208 (talk) 01:06, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, but that's Disney's copyright in their animated film version, not the copyright of the original work by JM Barrie.--Stelmaris (talk) 22:59, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2019

Please replace "wirh" with "with" 208.95.51.53 (talk) 21:30, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

 Done Nice catch. Egsan Bacon (talk) 23:29, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2020

There is the word "coronavirus" when it was supposed to say "COVID-19". 45.72.227.120 (talk) 00:21, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:42, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Please inline reference, as this is a new article ..

Stuffy Singer --2603:7000:2143:8500:B585:6698:9949:8BC0 (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Done. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 19:00, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

"What Made the Red Man Red" song mistake

In the lyrics of the song "What Made the Red Man Red" there is no mention of the word "Indians". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.12.82.15 (talk) 12:11, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Could someone fix the aforementioned error in the "Controversy" section, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.36.50.24 (talk) 01:36, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

The lyrics say "injun" repeatedly, which the article reflects. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 14:40, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2022

Can you add Wetzel O. Whitaker as an animator under character animation? He animated the lost boys. My sources of knowledge are his own autobiography, "Looking Back" and this web article: https://www.deseret.com/2012/11/26/20510264/a-reel-legacy-tells-story-of-lds-church-s-early-film-efforts. Thank you! Alw91 (talk) 15:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please provide the exact prose you'd like. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:12, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2022

Capitalise the word 'Natives' in the sentence: "John and Michael set off with the Lost Boys to find the island's Native Americans; however, the natives capture the group, believing them to be responsible for taking the chief's daughter, Tiger Lily", since the Natives are a group of people. Also, please excise the word 'broadly' in the sentence: "Peter Pan has been criticized in recent decades for its broadly stereotypical treatment of the Native Americans". Because, the word is unnecessary. 92.21.223.3 (talk) 02:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.Fbifriday (talk) 07:45, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Reliable sources for what? Native Americans are a group of people - you don't need a source for that of course - and therefore I don't need to provide one to get across that 'Natives' as a proper noun needs capitalization. Please just edit the article 92.21.223.3 (talk) 07:50, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Done. It's a reasonable edit request. But the stereotyping in the film is rather broad (not at all subtle), so I'm inclined to leave that. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 12:27, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Oh right - apologies, I misunderstood the meaning of the word broad in this context - I'm on the same page as you now that you've explained it. I thought broad meant unspecific here, so I appreciate you clarifying :) 92.21.223.3 (talk) 12:38, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Musical film?

Isn't this also a musical film? Clrichey (talk) 04:51, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

This is a book before it was a film

This is not a film based on a play it is a book based JMBarrie which was made into a film!!! A very important difference! 2A02:C7C:6649:6900:8C58:E20F:9055:8CF8 (talk) 21:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

The novel itself was based on the play, so it is correct to say the film was based on the original play. Disney adapted the basic story as he changed some things, added others and omitted some. Stelmaris (talk) 09:52, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
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