Talk:Philidor position

R+B vs. R
Added further analysis/comments to the philidor rook&bishop vs. rook ending ScottRShannon (talk) 01:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Queen vs. rook
Added citation needed to the sentence The rook can be won in fewer than fifty moves, avoiding a draw by the fifty-move rule in Queen versus rook section. This is misleading. If it means from the Philidor position, the rook can be won in at most 8 moves (I make it) assuming checkmate doesn't happen first, whereas if it is meant to be from the general position there are obviously many draws. Averbakh gives several drawn situations - I think in Queen and Minor piece endings, but I don't have it to hand - the two positions shown here will do. Martin Rattigan (talk) 21:40, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks that man there (2601:346:8000:bf00:f4ec:e0f5:1209:2b78 (talk)‎). Looks fine now. Martin Rattigan (talk) 02:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

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Some consider this to be one of the most important positions in endgame theory".[1]

That quote has an ending quote mark but no beginning, and the reference is offline. So where does the missing quote mark go? Art LaPella (talk) 04:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Must be my error - I expanded it. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:45, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Does this need to exist?
Rook and pawn versus rook endgame and Rook and bishop versus rook endgame are already their own articles, and the queen versus rook endgame is mentioned at Pawnless chess endgame. Shouldn't we move the information here to those articles instead of keeping information about these positions here when their only relation to each other is that they're endgames who happen to have been studied by the same guy?

ISaveNewspapers (talk) 22:56, 8 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, maybe you are right, I'm not sure. Initially the only "Philidor position" I knew of was R+P vs. R.  Then I learned that these other two eldgames were also called "Philidor position", although I am pretty sure that if someone says "Philior position", the almost always mean R+P vs. R.  So the information was probably in this article before some of the other articles were started.  So, as I feel right now, R+B vs. R and Q vs. R can be covered in the other articles, but I'd rather keep the R+P vs. R material here.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:28, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree with Bubba73 – to me the first Philidor's position I think of is R+P vs R. I'd only think about R+B vs R or Q vs R in the case that either of these much rarer endgames was already being discussed. Double sharp (talk) 13:38, 11 December 2021 (UTC)