Talk:Philip Morris International/Archives/2013

Petterøe's
They took over the Petterøe's brand of Tiedemann in 2009 88.91.148.119 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC).

Philip Morris
He's mentioned as the founder of the original company in Altria Group, but his bio doesn't exist as a separate article. White 720 (talk) 16:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Stupid question: was Philip Morris a real person, and if yes, do we have his bio somewhere ?

The full story
This page has not nearly enough information (i.e none at all) on what philip morris really does: it sells a product that has only one purpose: to deliberately kill its customers. This company and its executives are responsible for the misery and murder of hundreds of thousands of people every years, including many children through passive smoking. No mention of that anywhere? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.216.9.138 (talk) 15:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I think if you can add some statistical figures along with neutral tone of writing, that will be a full story?

I deleted the 'history' section - it was a bland, non-encyclopedic list.
Given that this section wasn't covered here, I assume that this was a non-controversial edit. Colon el Tom 10:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a great list, and is presumably ripped from their corporate site, but I'd rather leave it in until we can find some other material on the company. --Brandonfarris (talk) 11:01, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd rather leave it out. It serves no useful purpose apart from advertising the company. Colon el Tom 11:13, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't advertise the company, so much as provide a version of the historical events that leads us to its current state. I'll be restoring it in time in a different and more appropriate form but perhaps instead of just deleting it you could do some actual work on it. There must be lots of historical material on this company other than its own corporate site. --Brandonfarris (talk) 11:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It does advertise the company. I would like to suggest that you shan't be restoring it without some support from editors that aren't affiliated with tobacco companies.  Colon el  Tom 12:19, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't agree it advertises the company, there are plenty of reasons to edit it into a more encyclopedic form, something I encourage you to do, whether you are affiliated with tobacco companies or otherwise. I make no accusations about your affiliations with tobacco companies or whatever, I merely judge the edits as I see them. I have already added some material that explains the context in which PMI operates which will hopefully make for a better article. --Brandonfarris (talk) 12:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Given that you'd said "It doesn't advertise the company", and I responded with "It does advertise the company", your "I don't agree it advertises the company" was, frankly, assumed. Feel free to surprise - but please do so without regurgitating corporate lists and/or corporate guff in yr edits. :)  Colon el  Tom 12:46, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Please familiarise yourself with WP:AGF before making further reflections upon my edits. The article isn't in great shape, happy to work with you to improve it but please first lose the personal hostility, it's not appropriate. --Brandonfarris (talk) 13:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah. My carefully chosen emoticon was for naught, then.  No hostility was intended in my above posts.  On re-reading, I can't agree that any hostility is present. Still, your response is noted.  I shall be particularly careful not to give you cause to feel uncomfortable in future.  Colon el  Tom 19:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Controversies
Was thinking of a list of PMI controversies that should be in the article. Are there any others? Needs work, possible bias? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.151.221.51 (talk) 17:26, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Plain packaging - Australia
 * Attempting to influence government policy - including political donations
 * Litigation from smokers and passive smokers
 * Brand name sponsorships/marketing/promotion
 * Investors pressured over holding stock in PMI

--Brandonfarris (talk) 13:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Bias?
Is the sentance "The government rightly thinks that by doing this it will lower the death rates of smokers, but the tobacco companies are only worried about loss of income, not lives." POV? Don't get me wrong, we all know that smoking kills and cigarette companies' morals are questionable, but is this a neutral part of the page? AndrewJFulker (talk) 13:06, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Are KT&G and China National Tobacco Corp subsidiaries of Philip Morris International?
Both of SEC filing and the company's 2011 annual report indicate they are not a subsidiary of Philip Morris International? Can anyone comment on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jiwonjung84 (talk • contribs) 06:16, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

over 200 countries ?
Philip Morris International Inc. (PMI) (NYSE: PM) is an American global cigarette and tobacco company, with products sold in over 200 countries ''with 15.6% of the international cigarette market outside the United States. Philip Morris International support with slogan "Anggarda Paramita".''

Actually we have as far as I know 194 countries worldwide "accepted". The only important country which is not included in the list is Taiwan,

others are for example:

Northern Cyprus with a population of 294,906 and estimated GDP for 2008 is 3,9 Billion because its near to Europe and there is tourism and money coming from Turkey (The turkish part, the "greek" part of Cyprus is a member of the European Union in which I live too)

Kosovo: I think every European beyond the age of 25 know Kosovo, a small piece of Serbia which wants indepence. It is only a bit more than 7 times larges than Los Angeles, because even Serbia is one of the many countries which declared independence when Yugoslawia collapsed together with the Soviet Union (man the 2 states, the Soviet Union and Yugoslawia are now 20 countries or even more...)

Abkhazia is another example, it was together with South Ossetia the reason for Russia to invade Georgia, South Ossetia had an estimated population of 72,000 people and if there have been any major factorys or other industries, the 2008 South Ossetia war destroyed it for sure. In Abkhazia there have been a bit over 240,000 people before the war and minimal activity, GDP was ~500 million... a little bit more than 10.000 US-Americans produce a GDP of around 500 million US-$...

There are some more on the list, but these are really small loser-countries without any serious financial, political or military power.

So I think this should be checked. The largest country of Africa until 2011 was Sudan, but now they are 2 countries and the "old" Sudan is no more the largest country in Africa, but even this one new country doesn't really help ;) The sentence should write something like in "almost all countries of the world" or so, because I think there are some very small countries where tobacco is together with alcohol only allowed for tourists. At least in the United Arab Emirates for example it is only allowed to drink for foreigners, and only in the "special places" for this, but if you drink there and than leave and go on the street and make some shit you go to prison, and if you have. while drunk, done anything against their crazy laws you could get serious problems. I think some ultra-muslim countries have similiar tobacco-laws.

Sorry for the endless spelling errors, but as US-Preisdent John F. Kennedy said "Ich bin ein Berliner" :) He was one of the best presidents that the United States have seen and in his family there were many men who wanted to change the world to a better place, that is why he and others from his family have been killed, usually it is very hard to kill the president since Lincoln...

Greetings -- Kilon22 (talk) 16:58, 5 December 2012 (UTC)