Talk:Philip Morris International/Archives/2018

Not an american company
I don't think that this can be defined an american company, but I'm waiting to do the change to see if I misunderstood something. For me it's a Switzerland-based multinational company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarioPaolucci (talk • contribs) 11:22, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The company's own website says their headquarters is in New York City so I don't really see how this is up for debate. Reverting back to NYC. http://www.pmi.com/eng/about_us/company_overview/pages/key_facts_and_financial_data.aspx --Mrowlinson (talk) 18:44, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The website currently lists both headquarters, and since it is operationally-based in Switzerland and does not operate at all in the US, my suggestion is to just remove the word "American" and leave it as an "international" company. DrNicotiana (talk) 20:40, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * If it's a U.S. company, why is the article in UK English? Shouldn't it be in U.S. English? – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 18:16, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The company's 2017 US SEC 10-K filing states: "Philip Morris International Inc. is a Virginia holding company incorporated in 1987. Our subsidiaries and affiliates and their licensees are engaged in the manufacture and sale of cigarettes and other nicotine-containing products in markets outside of the United States of America." So legally they are a US company, but they only serve markets outside the U.S. (In the modern world of multinational corporations, I'm not sure why any of this matters much). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.66.224.56 (talk) 22:17, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello!
Hi All! I'm Sarah and I work with Philip Morris International. I'm pretty new to editing, but my goal is to make minor edits to numbers and fact-based content, and I look forward to working with other editors to develop future content updates. Please let me know if and when I've made any mistakes and how I can correct them in the future. Thanks a lot! Sarah at PMI (talk) 15:21, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Request edit 28-NOV-2018
Hello, I am a new editor who has a conflict of interest with this material. I have added the request edit tag, as the following issues I noted are still present. I think the changes I've requested are reasonable, but would be happy to discuss. Note, "reference 38" is now "reference 41" after revision by others. Thank you, Sarah at PMI (talk) 16:50, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Fix broken link, reference 38 (Our Charitable Giving Program)
The link is broken because the website was updated since the current reference was accessed:

Current text: The company says that it gives $25 million per year to charitable causes including domestic violence, emergency housing, education, combating poverty and teaching sustainable agriculture techniques in Africa.

Proposed text: The company says it contributed nearly USD 30 million in 2017 to causes and programs including education for the underprivelaged, empowering women, and disaster preparedness and relief efforts.

Research section
Language here is a bit rough, with potential weasel words (claims, for example). I propose the following changes to that section. This makes the language is more clear, provides a few points of updated information, and yet does not substantially change the section. For the reference tagged as unreliable, I've updated that statement and supported with new references. Also recommend moving the last paragraph in this section.

Current text: PMI claims to have a research and development program. Investment has been made to reduce the levels of toxic chemical compounds, such as iQOS, a heat-not-burn tobacco product.

In 2018, Philip Morris will focusing their next investment of 290 million euro with the start of building a new manufacturing in Dresden (Germany) to produce tobacco sticks (cigarettes) for iQOS.

Responding to Philip Morris starting the Foundation for a Smoke-Free World in 2017, the American Cancer Society stated, "This attempt by Philip Morris International to paint itself as a public health partner is manipulative and dangerous. It is a new twist out of the tobacco industry’s deadly playbook, but nobody should be fooled. It’s a continuation of a decades-long effort to paint over tobacco’s role in spreading death and misery around the globe."

Proposed text: Philip Morris International's research center is located in Neuchatel, Switzerland and houses Philip Morris International's product research and development program. As of April 2018, earnings reports showed the company had spent $4.5 billion on four products: two that heat rather than burn tobacco, and two other nicotine products. One of these heat-not-burn tobacco products is iQOS. It was reported that Philip Morris International will invest USD 320 million to build a new manufacturing facility in Dresden, Germany to produce tobacco sticks for IQOS.

-->I don't have changes to the paragraph that begins "Responding to Philip Morris stating…" However, it contains no information about the company's research, nor on independent research. It talks instead about the critical response to the creation of the Foundation for a Smoke-Free World. This is why I recommend moving that part to the controversy section.


 * (References confined to box) Sarah at PMI (talk) 10:18, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Reply 28-NOV-2018
Your edit request could not be reviewed for the following reason:
 * 1) The provided references are not formatted correctly. The citation style predominantly used by the Philip Morris article is Citation Style 1 (CS1). The citation style used in this edit request primarily consists of bare URL's (4 out of 5 references submitted in the proposed text section).  Any requested edit of yours which may be implemented will need to resemble the current style already in use in the article – in this case, CS1. (See WP:CITEVAR.)

In the extended section below titled Citation style, I have illustrated two examples: one showing how the edit request was submitted, and another showing how requests should be submitted in the future:

Plain Reference Style Formatting: The Sun's diameter is 864,337.3 miles, while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles. The Sun's temperature is 5,778 degrees Kelvin.

Displays as: The Sun's diameter is 864,337.3 miles,[1] while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles.[2] The Sun's temperature is 5,778 degrees Kelvin.[3]

References

1. 2.  3.

In the example above there are three URL's provided with the claim statements, but these URL's have not been placed using Citation Style 1, which is the style predominantly used by the Philip Morris article. Using this style, the WikiFormatted text would resemble the following:

Citation Style 1 Formatting: The Sun's diameter is 864,337.3 miles, while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles. The Sun's temperature is 5,778 degrees Kelvin. Displays as: The Sun's diameter is 864,337.3 miles,[1] while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles.[2] The Sun's temperature is 5,778 degrees Kelvin.[3]

References

^ Sjöblad, Tristan. . Academic Press, 2018, p. 1. ^ Duvalier, Gabrielle. , Scientific American, 51(78):46. ^ Uemura, Shū. . Academic Press, 2018, p. 2. 

In the example above the references have been formatted according to Citation Style 1, which shows the author, the source's name, date, etc., all information which is lost when only the links are provided. As Wikipedia is a volunteer project, larger edit requests such yours are generally expected to have this formatting done before the request is submitted for review.

Kindly rewrite your edit request so that it aligns more with the second example shown in the collapsed section above, and feel free to re-submit that edit request at your earliest convenience. If you have any questions about this formatting please don't hesitate to ask myself or another editor. Regards,  Spintendo   19:08, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Request edit

 * Thank you Spintendo, I have updated the references in my request, below.
 * The first requested change is because reference 41 is a dead link, and so I request the following text change and reference change. The second requested change is because the research section's current language appears to lack neutral point of view - using the weasel word "claims", for example. I also provided more detail summarizing my changes in my earlier change request above. Finally, as in my earlier change request, I still believe that the paragraph beginning with “Responding to Philip Morris stating…” does not provide any information on PMI’s research but on the foundation for a Smoke-Free World. This is why I propose moving that paragraph to the controversies section.Thank you.


 * Current text: The company says that it gives $25 million per year to charitable causes including domestic violence, emergency housing, education, combating poverty and teaching sustainable agriculture techniques in Africa.


 * Proposed text: The company says it contributed nearly USD 30 million in 2017 to causes and programs including education for the underprivelaged, empowering women, and disaster preparedness and relief efforts.


 * Current text: PMI claims to have a research and development program. Investment has been made to reduce the levels of toxic chemical compounds, such as iQOS, a heat-not-burn tobacco product.


 * In 2018, Philip Morris will focusing their next investment of 290 million euro with the start of building a new manufacturing in Dresden (Germany) to produce tobacco sticks (cigarettes) for iQOS.


 * Responding to Philip Morris starting the Foundation for a Smoke-Free World in 2017, the American Cancer Society stated, "This attempt by Philip Morris International to paint itself as a public health partner is manipulative and dangerous. It is a new twist out of the tobacco industry’s deadly playbook, but nobody should be fooled. It’s a continuation of a decades-long effort to paint over tobacco’s role in spreading death and misery around the globe."
 * The company says it contributed nearly USD 30 million in 2017 to causes and programs including education for the underprivelaged, empowering women, and disaster preparedness and relief efforts.


 * Proposed text: Philip Morris International's research center is located in Neuchatel, Switzerland and houses Philip Morris International's product research and development program. As of April 2018, earnings reports showed the company had spent $4.5 billion on four products: two that heat rather than burn tobacco, and two other nicotine products. One of these heat-not-burn tobacco products is iQOS.
 * It was reported that Philip Morris International will invest USD 320 million to build a new manufacturing facility in Dresden, Germany to produce tobacco sticks for IQOS.

Sarah at PMI (talk) 11:09, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Reply to edit request 29-NOV-2018
Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request.  Spintendo   12:10, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your rapid review and implementation of approved content. For the item marked clarification needed, the sentence in question ("The company says it contributed nearly USD 30 million...") does not already exist in the article. I mistakenly copied it when I was reformatting my edit request, apologies for the mix up. To clarify: the text in question is a proposed addition, not a proposed deletion. (Sarah at PMI (talk) 14:06, 29 November 2018 (UTC)) Finally, do you have any suggestion on my request to move the paragraph beginning with "Responding to Philip Morris starting..." from the research section to the controversies section? It does not describe Philip Morris research, and it matches in tone and topic with some of the paragraphs written under "Other". Thank you again, Sarah at PMI (talk) 12:35, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sarah at PMI, please do not continue advocating for removal of well sourced negative information. You are obligated to follow the WP:NPOV policy; you should not advocate for policy-violating changes like this. Please do see your talk page. Jytdog (talk) 12:50, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Jytdog, could you please clarify which content you're referring to? I don't believe that I'm advocating the removal of any information, but it's possible I've missed something that should have been included. Thanks, Sarah at PMI (talk) 13:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Removing it from the research section, is what I meant more precisely. per many sources including the JAMA piece at PMID 30134120, the foundation is funding research into harm reduction, and highlights vaping as a key method for that.. at the same time that the market for e-cigs is burgeoning (and some of your content is about exactly that segment). That JAMA piece also points out the history of the company's involvement in foundations at past key moments, as the risks of smoking were emerging and as the risks of second hand smoke were emerging... It should be here and should be elaborated on a bit, not moved. Jytdog (talk) 17:30, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I do agree that content on the Smoke-Free Foundation should be kept, which is why I didn't suggest removing it. I also agree it could be elaborated on for clarity's sake. But it is reasonable to expect that the research section on a company's Wikipedia page would be about that company's research. The foundation | operates independently of PMI, and it has nothing to do with PMI's research program. In fact, you've pointed out several things that make the founding of the foundation controversial. The paragraph could stay or be moved, depending on how it's elaborated on or what new subsections are created. But the content should be appropriate for the section the information is contained in. This is why I made that particular recommendation for the content in its current state, which I am glad you have taken the time to discuss. I didn't have any feedback on this suggestion since I posted it back in August, so your opinion is very welcome. Thank you, Sarah at PMI (talk) 09:27, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

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